Did RJ lack heart?

I'm a big fan of RJ and I feel a prime RJ is the most gifted boxer God ever created. But did RJ lack heart? In his second fight with Tarver he didnt go for it when he had Tarver hurt. I feel RJ could have ko'd him if he would have gone for the kill. I also want to point ou the Johnson fight. Yes Johnson is tough but RJ allowed himself to be bullied in there.

Thoughts?

 

He has had zero heart since Tarver knocked him out in 2004. Before that he had heart.

 

I agree. I just remembered the first fight with Tarver. RJ showed alot of Heart coming forward fighting. But as you said after he was ko'd that was it, he never showed that heart again. It's a real shame because I know he could have ko'd Tarver in their 3rd fight. I forgot the round but Tarver was hurt bad and exhausted. RJ let him off the hook.

 

It was the 11th. Roy was also hurt really badly in that round.

 

so let me try to grasp this concept. roy would've had heart if he was able to pull the trigger against johnson instead of getting cornered all night then getting knocked the fuck out?

 

prime jones would of destryoed tavar in 30 secs

 

Word.

 

technically, you can argue that he never had heart since having heart according to you guys is willing to take punches to the head.

 

If Roy Lacked HEART,the 3rd Tarver Fight woulda Never Happened...

What Roy LACKS is CONFIDENCE...He was Absolutely PETRIFIED N the 3rd Tarver Fight...That was Roy FACING his Demons,so to Speak...

That's Why Roy was Soooooooo RELIEVED,after the Fight...Yeah,it was DISAPPOINTING to REED,to See Roy Almost BRAGGING about Going the Distance, but it was a Step Towards REGAINING his Confidence...



REED

 

That was beyond pathetic after the 3rd fight when he was saying how at least he made the distance. Nearly pathetic as when Judah kept hitting his chest round after round of the beatdown from Cotto.

 

And only a hair less pathetic than hamed boasting about going the distance after getting schooled by barrera. Way to go journeymen ::

 

This Hanshaw Fight is VERY Important,N Terms of Showing Us where Roy's "Head" Is...

The 3rd Tarver Fight was all About RE-Visiting the "Boogeyman" who HAUNTED Roy...The Ajamu Fight was All about just GETTING a Win, After Losing 2 Straight...

Hanshaw is Young,Undefeated,has a Good Ammy Background & he's HUNGRY...He's Coming N to BEAT Roy Jones...& he wants to Do it IMPRESSIVELY...


REED

 

Sometimes you just make me laugh.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

REDD I'm surprised you're using the term "heart" in the same manner that Illuminati, Hex and a few others were usuing it...erroneously.

Heart isn't about making the fight...it's about you're mentality to win at all costs DURING the fight.

Did Frietas display HEART just because he fought Corrales, Casamayor and Juan Diaz?

No! His lack of HEART was exposed when he QUIT in two of those fights.

Jones, after getting KTFO...showed no heart WHATSOEVER...doesn't matter if he took the fights.

 

Maybe he used the term in a medical sense. If Roy had no heart, he´d be dead, hence no third fight. :: ::

 

Agreed, there's a difference between confidence, "balls" and heart.

 

N REED's Opinion,it Would have Shown a Complete LACK of "Heart" if Roy HADN'T even Tried to Get a 3rd Fight w/Tarver...

Roy Could have just as Easily Said,"Yeah,i'm SHOT...What Can I Say,I'm Done." & just RETIRED...But even AFTER CONSECUTIVE KO Losses,Roy still HAD to Get Back N there w/Tarver...

Your Freitas Example would Make MORE Sense if Freitas Fought a RE w/Chico Corrales...

It Takes HEART to Climb Back N 2 the Ring w/a Man who Knocked U COLD w/1 Shot...Especially,when U've Sandwhiched another Confidence Shattering KO Loss N btwn...Shit,Roy COULDN'T have Been LESS Confident N Himself,Going N 2 the 3rd Tarver Bout...

Yep,Roy Fought like a Bitch N the 3rd Tarver Fight,but He Proved Something to HIMSELF,if Nobody Else...The 3rd Tarver Fight Put Roy BACK on the Road Towards Believing N HIMSELF Again...

REED HONESTLY Thinks that if Roy Beats Hanshaw,a RE w/Glencoffe &/or a 4th Fight w/Tarver is N Roy's Future...



REED

 

Roy had ZERO Confidence & Obviously Fought w/NO TRACE of "Balls"...

But it Took HEART to Get Back N there (Considering the NATURE of the Losses),N REED's Opinion...


REED

 

Can't say i agree. Heart is something that's shown in the ring alone. It doesn't matter what you're up against before you step in there. It's about what you show while there. Otherwise it would mean that every poor scrub that was fed to the likes of Tyson and Foreman had heart,

 

PREcisely.

 

Roy showed flashes of it in the 3rd fight but not enough to keep folks from answering the question.

Roy fought most of the fight to not get KO'd but after getting hurt in the 11th, Roy DID fight back. Tarver was gassed and by the end of the round, Roy was stalking Tarver. Roy missed a ton of punches, but at least he tried to turn the fight around.

My biggest issue wasn't the 11th round because he certainly showed heart. My problem was the 12th when he didn't come out looking for a KO. His dad told him to not do anything stupid and that's exactly what he did.

Like REED said, it was a confidence thing more than a heart issue.

Perhaps he didn't have confidence in his heart. ::

 

Freitas showed a lack of heart by not flat out refusing and avoiding all opportunities to fight two of those guys again.

 

besides corrales who fought him 3 times, who the hell wants to fight casamayor? freitas got the W (barely) and moved on. i would've done the same.

as for the corrales fight, he probably knew he'd get clocked again, and by the time corrales was shot, it was too late since he couldnt even make 140 anymore.

 

This statement by Joony keeps REED's point about Jones showing heart by fighting Tarver a 2nd and 3rd time relevant.

:clap:

 

jones did show balls going into that fight w/o a tune up. he also showed a lot of heart in their first fight i

 

jones did show balls going into that fight w/o a tune up. he also showed a lot of heart in their first fight in pulling out a close decision win.

 

Fair Enough...

N REED's Opinion,those Guys that Fought Foreman & Tyson did So KNOWING they were Getting Career High Purses...That Makes it a Little Easier to Accept your Impending Ass Whipping...

The 3rd Tarver Fight WASN'T Even Close to that, for Roy...It Wasn't about Money @ All,Cause Roy & Tarver SPLIT the Purse 50/50...


REED

 

jones is one of the best fighters ever. why question his heart when it's all said and done?

 

Yep, that's how I feel.

 

Yep...

"Heart" is Subjective...

How much "Heart" did Erik Morales Exhibit when he WILLINGLY Sat on the Canvas & Got Counted Out by Manny Pac???...How about Alexis Arguello,when he did Likewise vs Aaron Pryor???

How Much "Heart" did Julio Cesar Chavez Exhibit when he Quit N the RE w/DeLa??...How about Duran when he Quit vs Sugar Ray Leonard (& Please DON'T Tell REED how Duran Quit Cause he was Tired of Leonard "Running" )...



REED