Miguel Cotto: The Best Middleweight in the Welterweight Division

Cotto is one of my favorite fighters, but he really needs to start fighting guys his own size.
After looking at his recent KO of Zab Judah, Cotto must have had between 10-12 pounds on the kid.
He really needs to do the right thing and start shooting for the middleweights out there, fighters his own size.
Miguel is another poster boy for the return of same day weigh ins.

 

Cotto is only 5'7 and was below the 147 limit at the weigh in. :nono:

 

So would you say that Juan Diaz needs to start fighting Welterweights?

Juan Diaz cuts a good 15 pounds to get down to lightweight himself.

 

I met Miguel in San Antonio at the last Pacquiao fight.
I'm a little taller than him, and the guy looked like a lightheavyweight to me, I don't care what any talking heads at HBO say.
The guy had at least ten pounds on Zab, and Joey Gamache almost lost his life in a similar situation to Arturo Gatti.

 

pretty DUMB thread if u consider that Cotto was only 7 pounds over the limit on the 30day weigh in... :nono:

 

Agreed! End of thread!

 

Karl - how many 5'7 middleweights do you know?

Jesus, even Hagler was a fairly small middleweight, and he was a BUILT 5'9.

No fucking way Cotto is a middleweight.

He probably is the best welterweight around, but the only thing that worries me is his size, he is not that big for a welterweight.

Did you see the fight? Did he look like he dwarfed Zab? He didn't to me. He didn't look any bigger than Floyd looked against Zab.

Duran was 5'7 too, was he a legit middleweight?

 

I asked Miguel what he weighed and he wouldn't tell me and he said he didn't know.
He knew.
If he got anywhere near 147 it was through purging, laxatives, dehydration, and starvation.
I guarantee you he was at or very near 165 or more in the ring for Zab.

 

He was more legit than Cotto as Duran weighed in the morning of the fight.

 

And kudos to HBO for not posting fightnight weigh-ins too.

 

Cotto was often a lot bigger than his opponents at 140, but it doesn't seem so much now at 147.

 

This is the way weigh-ins have been handled for a very, VERY long time.

Don't blame the fighter, blame the system.

 

They said it was because the state of New York didn't do those or whatever.

Was that in any relation to what happened in New York during the DLH-Coley/Gatti-Gamache card?

 

What about Cintron? Or Margarito? Who's a real welterweight in the welterweight division?

What about Jermaine Taylor, is he a real middleweight?

 

hater

 

Cotto looked solid at 140, but even then he didn't look huge.

I never understood all this cotto is a middleweight business. He is a solid 5'7, nothing more. I don't think he should fight higher than 154.

Can you imagine how small he would look in the ring against hopkins or pavlik? ::

 

I feel the same way.

Sometimes people will try to diminish a fighter's accomplishments at a certain weight because of their size (DLH, Corrales, etc...). Provided they make the weight fairly, I don't think that's fair.

However, it does make it hard to compare historically with other fighters of the past who didn't have these type of weigh-ins.

 

Judah lost because of the weigh-in rule!!:laughing:

Seriously, the same can be said of Baldomir. And he couldn't even stop Judah, despite being a hell of a lot bigger. Indeed he was losing the fight early on. The way it usually works is the bigger guy asserts himself from the off and has the fight won by the 5th. After that he begins to fall off if he hasn't got his man KO'd by then.

Didn't happen with Baldomir, who was around 170 walking-around weight.

As for Gamache-Gatti: Gamache was really an exception in this case, he was really really small and had no power compared to Gatti, and he was at least 1 division above his prime, and Arturo has always been a puncher. And Joey only got hurt cos it went too far, it could legitimately have been stopped a lot earlier.

 

The Corley fight was pretty ridiculous though.

On fight night it was a middleweight versus a jr. welterweight.

 

Gamache tried to trade punch for punch with Gatti too. He wasn't offset by Gatti's size, only after the fight he complained.

 

Yes that too.

It was a combination of things, but Gamache should have been pulled out at the end of round 1. It wasn't like Gattis size/weight killed Gamache with the first punch landed....and to make this case all the more exceptional, I have reason to believe that Gatti never made weight to begin with.

All in all, the Gamache case turned on its own facts.

 

As I remember, it was commonly accepted that Gatti really weighed 142 at the weigh in. Not exactly Watergate stuff.

 

Cotto isn't any bigger than any other welterweights besides tiny guys like Zab who themselves also moved up from a lower weight class.

Margarito, Williams, Cintron, are all MUCH bigger than Cotto. I don't have a clue why Karl is so hell bent on making us believe Cotto is a middleweight. It's ridiculous really. Too many fighters cut a lot of weight to complain about one guy. It's just the way it is. I would think Karl would know this being a "fighter" of some sort himself.

 

Yeah no shit. There is a lot of Welterweights bigger than Cotto is. This thread is ricisulous.

 

Short middleweights or bigger...

Qawi, Montell Griffin, Hard Rock Green, Curtis Stevens, Duran, ..
then look at someone like Serra.

It's unusual, but not remarkable, for a short fighter to have success in the upperweights. Tyson, Tua, and Toney are all much shorter than the 5'7", 160 lb equivalent at heavyweight.

 

No, more Gattigate.

And the limit was supposed to be 140, right??

Thats another 2lb Gatti didn't have to drop.

So its a double whammy, 2lb heavier, 2lbs less drained.

 

Ok "Z", huh???
I have seen and talked to the guy in person and questioned his weight.
I had a pretty good indication that the guy was 160 in San Antonio.
I hope you understand, "Z."

 

Well....here is a real middlweight scoring a bad ass KO


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Lee is 6'2"..Taylor is 6', Abraham, Pavlik and Miranda are all in the 5'10"-6'1" zone .

In terms of height and pure punching power, Cotto isn't approaching any of those guys.

 

So I guess the question becomes, if Cotto is a Middleweight what exactly does that makes Paul Williams? Is he a Light Heavyweight?

 

Threats involving Texas, spines, the US Marines, someone called Diaz and car parks are about to fly.