Now that dusk has come, let's face it, Roy was a Top 10 All-Time Lt. Heavy...

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I have Roy #9 on my All-Time Light Heavy List. A lot of people these days are quick to dismiss Roy's accomplishments but the facts remain he was an Olympic Gold Medalist (I don't care if he was robbed), and was dominant for nearly a decade in a division full of men bigger, but not necessarily more talented, than him. Had he fought Dariusz, and beat him, there might be even less detraction from his accomplishments.

Here's my Top 10 Light Heavyweight list:

1. Ezzard Charles - Even though he never held the title, he beat Moore, Maxim, and Bivens x3 each. He whipped Burley x2.
2. Archie Moore - Held the title for a decade, still Charles had his number.
3. Billy Conn - Fantastic boxer/puncher.
4. Michael Spinks - Powerful punch, beat Muhmmad and Braxton.
5. Bob Foster - Undisputed for a long time, fantastic puncher.
6. Gene Tunney - Beat Greb 3 times.
7. Tommy Loughran - The Phantom beat Baer and Braddock at this weight.
8. John Henry Lewis - Part of the exclusive 50+ KO's club.
9. Roy Jones Jr - Dominant for nearly a decade against solid but not great competition.
10. Joey Maxim - If he had a bigger punch he would be higher on the list.

I had considered Greb and Langford, but Greb did most of his best work at other divisions, Greb could be interchanged with anyone in there though below Tunney. Langford I know accomplished more as a defender of the "Black Heavyweight Title" so it was hard to include him since I don't think he necessarily did very much officially as a light heavyweight.

But that's where I have Roy.

 

I'd say he was the best supermiddle ever, a decent middleweight, and a top 5 lightheavy. Foster, Moore, Charles, and Michael Spinks would probably all be ranked ahead of him.

 

Can't disagree with that. :clap:

 

Conn might be too high, and I'd consider places for Dillon and Delaney over Lewis and Maxim but not a bad list at all. And, yes, Roy was a top ten light heavy.

 

Michael Spinks
Ezzard Charles
Bob Foster
RJJ
Moore

who cares about the rest

 

Yeah I thought about moving Conn below Spinks and Foster, but on pure ability I think he could've beaten those guys on any night. Had he not tried to knock Louis out and instead just fought smart, there would be less argument.

As it is, I have no argument with moving Conn down to move up Spinks and Foster.

 

Roy Jones is not the best super-middleweight of all time. What a load of crap.

 

Who was better?

 

I'd have him top ten to be sure.
It's Bob Foster Number One and everyone else as far as I'm concerned.

 

Archie Moore is #1 on my list at Lightheavy. As for Supermiddle, I know that Sven Ottke had all those title defenses, but some of them were suspect, and Roy would have crushed him.

SUPERMIDDLE
1. RJJ
2. Toney
3. Calzaghe
4. Ottke (based solely on longevity).
5. ???

 

Ain't that the truth. A 168 pound, prime RJJ would've made Ottke take a dance by the 6th round. Ottke had to cheat to get past Allen Smith. Let's not even get into his two "wins" over Charles Brewer. Ottke is a shameful example of what corruption can create.

 

Ottke cleary won the 2nd brewer fight.

 

Oh I almost forgot, Thomas Tate should have a victory over Ottke after brutalizing his soft face with a right hand causing a massive gash. Should've been a TKO victory and it was supposed to be until the german promoters intervened. Then it was turned into an "accidental clash of heads" of which NO one can pinpoint (the right hand was obvious as day). Ottke's is a chump who was protected and had he fought in Las Vegas against every opponent on his resume he might be 30-4. He's should be, without question, 32-2 with losses to Brewer and Thomas Tate.

 

Calzaghe, Ottke, Eubank, Benn, soon Kessler.

 

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

You don´t think that it is arguable that the longevity, 20+ title defenses, unification and undefeated records of Calzaghe and Ottke at 168 trump Jones single victory over James Toney, and five title defenses against very average opposition. The same can be argued for Eubank, Benn and soon Kessler. Thanks for your contributions, sharp as always and long live Vinny Paz. :laughing: :laughing:

 

no it isn't.

Calzaghe's best win is over a 75 year old eubank, and ottke's best win is....mundine?

I love that u say roy had "five defenses against very average opposition" and then mention Kessler as someone to rank higher than Roy.

cmon dude, Roy is alot better than any of those guys, and in beating James Toney, beat a #1 P4P calibur guy, in dominating fashion.

alright enough, i hate having to defend RJJ, fuck him, long live tarver

 

You know the meanig of the word "soon"?

Oh I forgot the "Roy is a lot better, therefore he doesn´t have to fight them" argument. Roy fighting Vinny Paz is the equivalent of Kessler defending against Gatti.

 

am I saying he's better so he doesn't have to fight them?

Show me where I said that

 

Roy Jones is THE GREATEST Supermiddle EVER...Not the Most ACCOMPLISHED,but Certainly the GREATEST...

& there ISN'T a Single Supermiddle who Would've been FAVORED to Beat Roy Jones:nono: ....

The SAME Way Ezzard Charles is GENERALLY Regarded as "1 of the Greatest Lightheavy's Ever",Despite NEVER Even Having a Title there, Roy Jones Reigns SUPREME N a Supermiddle Discussion...

@ Lightheavy,Roy's Status is Lessened Since he was Never TRUELY "Linear"...& Cats like Spinks,Charles,Moore & Foster would B Even Money or FAVORED to Beat Roy,Head to Head...

Roy's the GOAT @ 168...& he's NO WORSE than Top 10 @ 175,Top 5 @ BEST...

"Ya'll Musta Forgot"

REED

 

And then we look at how RJJ fared against Thomas Tate. One of the most blazing lefthook knockouts ever. ::

 

Are you on fucking Quaaludes? ::

Calslappy might be the most arguable choice, but Roy would have outpointed Eubank, stopped Benn, and toyed with Ottke and Kessler.

Roy's reaction time, conditioning, and combination of speed and power were the best ever at supermiddle. Calzaghe had a chance, and so would Steve Collins. Nobody else would have at supermiddle.

 

Get in line at the woulda coulda shoulda counter. :blobbox:

 

Calslappy is waiting there too, I saw him on the way in talking about Roy, Hopkins, and James Toney. :dunno:

 

Yes, Roy crumpled Tate with ease, and Ottke had to be saved by the corrupted German commission. ::

 

:nono: Reed fucking please!!,.. "Top 10 at Light heavyweight".. ,.. is that all!?....

As a matter of fact, in his prime, Roy was top 5, p4p best ever,..I'm not one to "immortalise" and 'pay respect' to these champions of yesteryear beyond reasonable measure, Roy IS up there with Robinson and Leonard, yet your quibbling over a ranking in the fucken '5 - 10 range' of the light-heavyweight division...pffffffft, easy does it,....you're applying humility to Roy, but overblowing the hyperbole for an undeserving fuckwit like Fraud?... talk about flavour of the month!

 

something needs to be cleared up :dunno:




accomplishing the most at the weight = greatest

being favoured to beat anyone at the weight = best

best = pure speculation and belongs in mythical match-ups
________
Vapir no2

 

There ISN'T a Fighter N HISTORY Who's Fought EVERY SINGLE Fighter that they COULD Have...

N Other Words,EVERY Fighter has a "Woulda,Coulda,Shoulda Counter"...

& YOU PERSONALLY Nuthug Fighters w/a MUCH Looooooooooonger "Counter" than Roy Jones...

@ LEAST B Consistent...


REED

 

WHEN & WHERE did REED Mention "Fraud" N his Post???...


REED:dunno:

 

Perfect post. Sums up my thoughts.