You Want To Complain About A British Fighter Holding and Wrassling and Hitting??

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  1. Orthodox Crusader

    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Then complain about this. Fucking abomination. You can't complain about Hatton after this.

    PS....who did Grant ever beat? Golota, Savarese, Izon....and they complain about todays division. How dare they. How dare they....This ain't American Idol, this is the HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION BABY.:nono: :nono:
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    :dunno: que?
     
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    Trplsec Sleeps in a Cage

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    I'm lost as well on this one..


    Lennox hit Grant with an uppercut while GRANT was trying to hold. That isn't quite the same thing as Hatton throwing a punch and immediately falling into a clinch..
     
  4. Orthodox Crusader

    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    What? An American fighter hold?? Thats impossible!!

    PS...Lenny was bracing Grants neck with his forearm and then throwing the uppercut.

    The holding by both men was bad....but the holding and hitting, esp its manner, was bad by Lenny.
     
  5. Trplsec

    Trplsec Sleeps in a Cage

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    When did Lennox become American?

    If you're comparing Grant holding on to Lennox because he was hurt to what Hatton does, then all I can say is :laughing: .

    Now reduce the size of that signature picture before I send a dentist to your house.
     
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    ILLUMINATI Roberto Duran

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    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Yeah, but it wasn't any worse than he did to Frank Bruno...when he teed up his chin with his left before ripping that right hand undernath it.

    That was one of the most brutal punches I've ever seen land but Bruno was such a heavy mass of muscle he couldn't go down even if he wanted to. He just sort of sagged there while Micky Van chided Lewis before taking the rest of his beating.

    Lewis got away with a bit of holding, but seriously, you could point out rules infractions by a lot of top heavyweights. It is what it is.

    Grant was still down four times in less that two full rounds and suffered severe knee damage. He wasn't going to win the fight because Lewis - unlike Golota - wasn't going to piss away a huge start like that and because Grant was a novice when he turned pro and was still learning on the job and unfortunately for him was rushed into the fight.

    He could still have beaten a number of contenders at the time, but the jump in class from fighting contenders to Lewis way too big for him to make.
     
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    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I'm just shocked that such an ugly fight was forgotten as soon as it was over: a lot probably had to do with the fact that an American, the last REAL American hope, got his ass BADLY kicked. And yes, Grant was rushed into that. He struggled on for a bit. Reed was predicting that Guinn would destroy him, and credit to Reed, that is what happened.

    Lewis was always a dirty fighter, not maliciously per se, but he infracted the rules for fun. He was lacing Klitschko, bracing Bruno and Grant, had a high cup to beat the band vs Holy etc. More of a subtle cheat than an out and out Fritzie Zivic.
     
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    REED:lol:
     
  10. Kenny

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    Holding is fine unless its use as a strategy. The only time u should hold is if your hurt. With that being said. You want a video to campare Hatton get one of Ruiz tapes. Only difference, he uses a hook hold instead of a jab hold.
     
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    none of you fools complained when sven otke used to punch and hold. Hatton is 100 times much more exciting that Mayweather that is a fact the most people who are hating on Hatton is Americans

    You guys should be loving him as most american are overweight obese people who talk alot but do nothing ie the war,bush

    :lol:
     
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    mikE "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Grant wasn't rushed into that fight. He was already on the downside after having his confidence crushed by Golota. He would have been a more dangerous opponent before Golota.
     
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    mikE "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Your last sentence doesn't make any sense.
     
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    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    What evidence is there to show Grant was on the downside or that he had his confidence crushed by Golota?

    Most fighters with "crushed confidence" don't come back to win by (late) knockout - even if it was due in large part to their opponent's poorer stamina.

    Grant showed he could come back from an early assault to knock Golota down and make him quit....he could have gained confidence from that fight...but that's impossible to know since he took the leap from Golota to Lewis in consecutive fights.

    The only reason Grant may not have been as dangerous before the Golota fight as he was after is that it showed a ringside-sitting Lennox Lewis his potential opponent had a vulnerable chin.
     
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    this thread is pointless. what? Hatton's clinching is any less tedious because there's other fighters out there who have clinched like hell?

    good logic. thanks.
     
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    Lewis loved the "hold the guy's neck/head down with the left and throw the right uppercut" trick. He did it against Grant, Bruno, Makrovic, Holyfield (I think), Tyson (or tried to but didn't get a good grip on Mike's head), Tua, and a few others. He could've been DQ'd against Acey if Acey had decided to pull a Montell Griffin and do an acting job.

    I liked it when Kellerman called him on it during Calzaghe-Bika when Lewis tried to imply that he was a clean fighter.
     
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    Yeah, you're right Ortho. I guess you can take me off the Michael Grant bandwagon. :lol:
     
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    Yeah, Sven Ottke was a legend around these parts. Everybody loved Sven. :lol:
     
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    Erratic "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    That was because people were too busy complaining about the decisions he got to even care about holding and hitting.

    Hatton is no more exciting and fun to watch than Mayweather. At least not nowadays.
     
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    PBF is much more pleasing to watch than Hatton. Watching Hatton fight is like watching Sumo wrestling. It's boring as fuck. PBF at least knows how to fight.
     
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    :laughing: bout time bitch
     
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    Hatton's holding isn't boring because Grant's holding is boring? You lost me at hello.:doh:
     
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    That high cup wearin' motherfucker! :nono:
     
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