Is Wlad going to be a legend?

Yes or no?

 

No. There will probably be no more HW legends. Lewis was probably the last one. Hell, Vitali will go on to have a better career than Wladimir and he won't even be a legend.

 

Ever since Mike Tyson came along, and looked ultra spectacular beating up hapless stiffs, Americans have frozen in an unescapable trance. Lennox Lewis, is the greatest heavyweight of all time, he was underappreciated, and never recieved the worship he deserved, it's always been about two of the most overrated fighters in boxing history to most, Ali and Tyson, the latter being most overrated of all. :doh:

 

He's only 31. If he unifies, beats everybody that there is out there, and sticks around for 5-6 more years, then, by simple fact of how long he was a reigning champ, they'll be forced to give him sort of status approaching legendary. Boxing needs heros. Otherwise the rednecks in cage fighting will just keep getting bigger and bigger. What are the likes of Max Kellerman going to tell the kids? That the heavyweight division was shit for 15 years? You do the maths. Marciano made 5 defences and was champ for 4 years. He's a legend. Then came Patterson. He's a legend. Kellerman and the haters will have to change their tune if Klitschko can unify and reign for 3 or more years. As it is I think Wlad has 8 title defences now. 5 from the WBO and 3 from the IBF. For Wlad, its a numbers game. Its about years and defences. Get enough of both...and they can't put you down forever.:nono:

 

I love how Orthodox talks about the future, as if it already has happened. I still laugh my ass off, when I recall his priceless "Vitaly beats Maskaev and becomes 3-time world champion!!". How did that one go, Ortho?
Is Vitaly still trying to get to the same level of achievement as John Ruiz, or did he give up already?

 

Some of you probably already know my stance on this. Vitali beats Maskeave, Wlad, not so much.

 

if lennox didnt get ko'ed and rocked; and so many tight fights so many times in his so called prime, he would get more credit, im not talking from me im talking about the general sports public, tyson always whiped the floor with bums, and lennox didnt all the time, and dont throw no razor ruddock comparisons in your arguement please

 

Well, one time me and Orthodox got into a little debate about whose achievements are greater, and Ortho used priceless argument:"Vitaly beats Maskaev and becomes 3-time world champion!". I think this was when I pointed out to him that, unlike Ruiz, Vitaly has never beaten a world champion (except that one time he took on cruiserweight Orlin Norris) :: ::

 

Legends dont lose to Ross Purrity. Wlad is the best heavyweight NOW! Thats it. He's just lucky that prime versions of Lewis, Tyson, Holy, and Bowe arent around, or else he'd be getting destroyed.

 

Excellent post, Nuff said!opcorn:

 

LOL X u took the words out of my mouth:bears:

 

How about the legends who got KTFO by guys like Buster Douglas, Oliver McCall, and Hasim Rahman? :dunno:

 

Wlad will have the better career than Vitali. He's younger, healthier, and his resume of victories will be better than Vitali's, if it isn't already.

 

All of these guys are WAAAAY better than Ross Purrity. In fact, one of them (Haseem Rahman) defeated Ross. (as we know, Purrity demolished Wlad). By the way, Rahman also destroyed Sanders. Way before Sanders demolished Wlad in one and a half rounds.

 

What's Rahman done lately? He's been getting KTFO by Oleg Maskaev twice. Who's Maskaev? The guy who got KTFO by Goofi and Corey Sanders?
Seriously man, we can play this stupid game forever. Doesn't mean anything. You have to look at how Wlad has improved since those losses and what he's accomplished. Do you honestly believe that Ross Purrity would beat Wlad TODAY if they fought? :dunno:
Corrie Sanders, that guy's a mountain of strength with crazy power, he has a chance against anybody. But I don't think you should just look at a fighter's losses while turning a complete blind eye to his accomplishments.
The bias is total horsesh*t.

 

If he COMPLETELY Wipes Out the Heavyweight Division,No Matter HOW BAD Most of Us think it Is,then YES...

If U're THE Dominant Guy of your Particular Era,for a Looooooooooooooooong Period of Time,then YES,U're "Legendary"...

@ the Rate he's Going,Give Wlad Another 3 Years or So & He'll B "Legendary"...

4 the Record,REED Voted "I Don't Know"

REED

 

Majority of guys on here just can't get past his Purrity and Sanders fights. I think it's a testament to his commitment to have lost as badly as he has and to have rebounded as well as he has, having KTFO just about everybody he's faced.

 

I don't know. And neither do you. That's why they have fights, you know. To figure out who beats who.
Te last time Wlad fought Purrity he got KTFOed.
The last time Rahman fought Purrity, he easily won.
Those are the facts. Everything else is pure conjecture.

Maybe he is. To be honest with you, I've never seen Sanders defeat a single decent fighter (if you count Wlad as "decent", make it two decent fighters).
All I know is this. Corey Sanders, this, as you say "mountain of strength with crazy power" got stopped by Haseem Rahman.
Remind me again how Wlad's fight with this "mountain of strength with crazy power" ended?

 

Good or BAD,Boxing is about "What have U Done for Me LATELY"...

REED has TRASHED Wlad as Bad as Anybody Else, for LOSING to Purrity & Sanders...But LATELY,Wlad has CLEARLY Established Himself as THE Best Heavy Out there...By a MILE...

& if he CLEANS OUT the Division,then 3-5 Years from Now,he'll HAVE to Go Down as "Legendary"...

There'll ALWAYS B the Argument,"This Legend woulda TORCHED Wlad. THAT Guy woulda RAPED Wlad,etc.,etc."...But NONE of that will Detract from Wlad's OWN Legendary Status...

U can ONLY Beat the Fighters that R PRESENT N your Particular Era...If Wlad DOES that,he's "Legendary"...Whether he's MORE or LESS "Legendary" than Somebody Else ISN'T Relevant...



REED

 

C'Mon Now...

REED Never Saw the Fight,but by MOST Accounts,Wlad "Lost" to Purrity the SAME Way he "Lost" to Brewster...

Sanders Might just Have Wlad's #,but Brewster & Purrity Got LUCKY...



REED

 

By getting punched repeatedly in the head?

Uh, ok. That explains it.

 

The last time Mike Tyson fought Kevin McBride, he was knocked out.

That is a fact. Everything else is pure conjecture.

Does that mean that Tyson never beats McBride?

Does that mean that it isn't reasonable to assume that at his best, Tyson would beat McBride?

Perhaps. But it's an obvious fallacy to assume a fighter stays at the same level throughout their careers.

Most fighters are judged by their prime if there is a clearly defined prime and it lasts for a distinct period of time (over the course of several years).

Klitschko's career will be judged primarily by what he does after joining with Emmanuel Steward.

What that ends up being can't be determined yet, so what's the point of the thread?

 

You mean, Wlad spent 45 fights getting into his prime and everything that happened during these 45 fights is irrelevant?

You should ask whoever started it :dunno:

 

Yeah, and, Vitali was in line for that fight, we can't help it if the WBC has rules the WBA doesn't have. Ruiz LOST to Golota, LOST to Jones, LOST to Phoney James Toney, LOST to NIKOLAI VALUEV:laughing: , got beat up by his wife, lost a DIVORCE, fiddled with his kids and got deported back to Nicarapanama.

 

The Purritty fight was a total aberration. He shouldn't even have taken the fight when he came down with the shits about 10 days before the fight, but he went thru with it.:dunno: Then he fought a dumb fight too boot, against one of the tougher men in the division. Tommy Morrisson hit Purritty everything, never budged him, Wlad fucked it up by going in spent, and then trying to KO the guy for the benefit of his hometown {Kiev} crowd.

 

Wlad losing to Purity, Sanders, and Brewster is pretty comparable to Lennox getting starched by McCall and Rahman. If Lewis could rebound from that and be considered by most as a great champ, then so can Wlad. It will take some time and he will have to dominate for a while.

 

What does it matter how many fights it took?

Lennox Lewis is judged largely by what he did after joining Steward, because it was apparent how much he had changed under Manny.

Why should Klitschko be any different?

Furthermore, regarding the fights, despite the high volume of fights he's had - and the years he's been a pro - he's only 31. He was only about 28 when he lost to Brewster.

He's still young compared to much of the division and appears to still have a lot of time in his career.

 

Jeez, are you the certified euro excuse maker or what? More euros employ you then they do Frank Warren.

 

:: :: :: Instant classic.

Ok, I think I'm starting to get it. Purrity and Brewster fights were aberations (Wlad had byrd flu, plus he fought the wrong fight and he also got a speeding tickets two days before), and Sanders was just lucky.
Did I miss anything?

 

Do you actually like boxing or do you like to pick apart every negative thing about boxers?

What fighters do you actually like?