International Flavor Dominates (by Jaws)

Here , answer my post to Noble.

Noble , even if we give it to them and say Louis would lose to Klit , they still didn't explain to us how fighter like Louis and Walcott would be worthless in todays rankings while fighters like Byrd , Toney , Jones , Ruiz , Brewster , Holyfield and others have won belts.
I mean is a 230lb Brewster that really should be 210lbs that much better then a ripped up Jersey Joe Walcott or a 6'2 205lb Louis ?
Is a 210 - 10lbs fat Chris Byrd so much better then these guys ?<!-- / message -->

 

so what?

he'd get killed thats what. If shitty guys like Baer and Galento can rock and hurt him, Wlad would finish him, its that simple.

And CYC, please stop with ur bullshit fallacies. I'm saying Louis would lose to Klit, I said nothing else about his chances in the HW division in this thread, nor did I say he wouldn't have any impact on the division.

I did say that Galento, Baer wouldn't have a prayer, quote me on that, because those guys sucked. When it comes to matching Louis with Offensive superheavyweights, im sorry if it hurts u to admit, but he'd get brutalized.

 

So now you are saying that these guys would or could hold belts in the modern heavyweight division but would still lose to a Klit brother or maybe a Lennox Lewis ?

Is this what you are saying ?
If so its a far cry from your original point of view that you have been preaching to the board for a long time now.

 

it depends on match-ups as always, which is normally what i post about. Joe Louis has a shot IMO at the Byrd and Ruiz' of the world, although Byrd's movement would probably trouble him, but he has no prayer against an offensive 240-250lb guy like Klitschko, or even a fast 220lb Tyson

 

Who knows if Klit could handle a punch with 6 oz gloves on.

 

Jaws do.

 

we already know Louis can't handle any kind of punch from a 240lber

 

How come he was never stopped by a 240 pound fighter while Wlad got stopped 3 times by fighters around that weight wearing more padded gloves? Getting floored doesn't mean you can't handle the punches, it's when you stay down that you can't handle the punches. Goddamn Jaws, Wlad is one of my favourite fighters and your hyperboles are making me talk shit about him!!!:doh: ::

 

jaws is the anti-tracy callis. get that old man back in here! ::

 

no I'd say getting floored by guys who are literally 240lb butterbeans means u can't take the punches.

I'm not saying Wlad has a good chin either, but Louis is not a uperheavyweight, nor is he fast, nor does he have good footwork. He is mechanical and that kind of approach would get him slaughtered against Klitschko

 

That makes no sense... Both guys knocked NUMEROUS guys out but they didn't knock Louis out.

 

Butterbean has KO'd plenty of guys too, doesn't make him good

 

Butterbean could knock out good heavyweights if he could catch them. He lacks skills, but he can punch. Louis was agressive and he got caught, he got up and stopped both. How can you say a guy that was stopped twice in his career and once at about 38 years old has no chin? You also base your judgement on fights where he didn't get stopped by big punchers! Sorry Jaws but your case is not very solid. Louis may not have had McCall's chin, but he certainly could take a punch well enough to get 25 straight defenses. You can't say a guy has no chin because you convinced yourself that today's punchers would knock him out within 3. Once again you're making a fact out of your opinion my friend.

 

NONE of those are FACT, none of those fights took place so fact is impossible

However here is a FACT for you, you bitch and moan about how Joe Louis could be knocked down by a fighter like Galento and yet somehow you fail to mention that your hero Wlad not only got knocked down but got KTFO by a golfer/part time boxer. Now that, you historian twisted psycho is FACT!

 

As I recall the 6'7 245lb Vitali quit on his stool!

 

ur a flamer

 

Corrie sanders is a 230b southpaw with good power and fast hands. Galento blows dick, he wouldn't beat butterbean if they fought. Corrie Sanders on the other hand was competitive with guys because of his awkward nature and power.

Seriously the fucking alcoholic 30-40 year old irish need to get over themselves and back away from this "50's was my favorite era" crap. The mere fact that anyone thinks ANY HW from that era can beat or even last 5 rounds with Wlad is just stupid on so many levels.

 

Fixed it for ya!

 

ok, and yet he'd crush Galento and Baer at the same time

 

OK Jaws, Wlad is an unbeatable fighting machine. He has an incredible piston like jab and he never has shown the tendency to fold under pressure in the face of adversity. You have shown me the way. ::

 

Yes, because God has evolved all White South Africans golfers into technically crafty fighting machines in the last 30 years. ::

 

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He would kill anybody that weighs 190-200lbs with a shaky chin and poor footwork/defense.

 

If evolution of the bigger stronger athlete were correct then how is it that today's heavyweights even seem to go 3 STRONG rounds let alone 15? Sorry, but the secret to evolution is what's commonly known as STEROIDS! It's fairly pathetic to say the least when a damn golfer can KO the supposed best heavyweight of today.

 

unintelligible, in typical retard fashion

 

You forgot this gem:

FACT - Magnus ver Magnusson would KO Chris Byrd in a "real fight" :laughing:

 

r all u faggots terrible at quoting what i actually say. I said he'd win a street fight, christ dude.

the name of this forum should be changed from fightbeat to flamerbeat.

 

and yet true!

 

I am in no way shape or form agreeing with Jaws.

But Magnus ver Magnusson would likely murder Chris Byrd in a real street fight.

 

I'm guessing Rocco is the kind of guy that thinks a 185 pound Marciano would have beat Lennox and Wlad...

It's a different era gentleman. The big men of today aren't all clumsy oafs; they are athletic, talented and coordinated fighters. Lennox and Wlad are examples of the new generation of dominant HW fighters. They delivery shots with the full impact of their tall, 240-250 pound frames.

Naturally a talented fighter like Joe Louis would have a chance against anyone, in any era. However, despite the fact that it's difficult to swallow, Joe Louis was a boxer puncher that could be hit. And getting hit with a right cross from Wlad or Lennox would, without a doubt, be the hardest punch Louis ever faced. This isn't a shot from comparatively tiny HW's like Schmeling or Charles. Rather it is a well-leveraged sledgehammer with 250 pounds of ass behind it.

Before CYC responds, I'm not saying Louis couldn't have won a title into today's enviroment. I am merely saying that Klitschko would beat him 90 times out a 100.

And for the creationist that don't believe the athlete has simply evolved over the last 75 years, I agree that Louis would also be a different beast with today's nutrion and training. However I am comparing the Louis we saw with the Wlad we see.

I know this is a losing argument against a group of fans that probably don't believe Carl Lewis was a better, evolved athlete compared to Jesse Owens. Unfortunately the stop watch doesn't lie, and the Jesse Owens of 1936 wouldn't even qualify to attend the Olympics as a guest..

 

What makes you say so? I mean, as far as I know, Magnusson is a strong man and isn't trained to fight. Byrd is a professionnal fighter.