Is Wlad going to be a legend?

Yes, right, Hasim. So, how Sanders who lost to Hasim Rahman is far superior to him?

 

Who???

 

Corrie. The guy who lost to Rahman. And who, according to you, is far superior to Rahman.

 

well he got dominated and quit cuz his little shoulder hurt

 

Vitali. At least get your facts straight when you wanna talk shit about "The Gay Towers".::

 

they look the same.. big german gays

 

Street???

 

You have experience of this sort of thing?:laughing:

 

Cool, let me get involved then. In my honest opinion, I would rate Ruiz's opposition as a whole, ahead of Vitali's. Let's take a look, AND take into account how good these fighter were AT THE TIME when Ruiz fought them.
Holyfield(top 5 fighter in 2000), Johnson(#1 contender), Tua(prime), Jones Jr(prime), Toney(#1 contender), Chagaev(top prospect and top contender), Golota(rejuvenated and worthy), Valuev(undefeated #1 contender), Oquendo(good fighter), Rahman(top contender).
Nothing to laugh about there. Ruiz fought them all, win or lose. I have to give him that respect. He feared nobody, he fought everybody. Hell even to a fault. The man gave Roy Jones ALL the power in negotiations and Ruiz was promised nothing other than a percentage of PPV. If everybody had Ruiz's attitude, this division would be so much better.

As for Vitali, he fought some strong fighters and he stopped a lot of them. He fought Donald(good fighter), Byrd(most ducked fighter), Lennox Lewis(World Champ and top 12 all time great, nuff said), Johnson(capable but in bad shape), Sanders(very powerful big fast heavyweight who smashed his brother), Danny Williams(destroyed Tyson), Purrity(tough fighter who beat his brother).

So yeah, I'd say overall, Ruiz has fought the stronger of the competition. But I also think the fact that Vitali fought Lennox Lewis and pretty much retired Lewis is also a pretty big feather in his cap. I think Lewis would've murdered Ruiz pretty easily. But that's just an opinion. I also think Corrie Sanders would've given Ruiz a drubbing. Although we don't really know which Sanders would've shown up.

 

Yep.

No, he wouldn't've....All we have to go by is the ACTUAL fights that Ruiz and Quitaly had.

No, he wouldn't've....All we have to go by is the ACTUAL fights that Ruiz and Quitaly had.

But I'd like to play this game as well.
Rahman would've beat the hell out of Quitaly. Quitaly knew it and that's why he got injured. 4 times in a row.

 

ARE COMING FOR YOU

 

Cool. So let's leave it at "Ruiz fought the stronger competition", and end it there.

 

Is Ruiz wife that strong? Hell, I'd heard stories, but I never believed them. Sorry. Dang.... :doh:

 

I never mentioned Ruiz.

Wladimir is a two-time champion with multiple title defenses.

 

I'll wait to see what he looks like in September before predicting Vitali's chances against Peter.

I don't regard Peter as highly as others do.

 

Just like Pavlik beating Taylor, a win for Peter over Maskaev is a better result for the sport. Then Wlad can beat up Peter again.

 

No it isn't! Lewis rematched and avenged both his defeats and with the Rahman fight, he went straight back into the ring and returned the compliment by starching Hasim even more emphatically than he'd been starched the first time.

The Sanders' fight was an opportunity for Wlad to "nut up" and do the same by attempting to reverse what was basically a shock KO defeat. He never even tried, and worse, stood by and watched his big brother take on his conqueror instead.

Lewis can say he beat every man he ever fought. Wlad will never be able to make that claim, because he didn't even try.

 

So is Ruiz.
Well, actually, Wladimir is 1-time champion.....the WBO trinket hardly qualifies.....while Ruiz held the major title on two separate occasions...

 

Like Lewis, Wald's legacy will always be diminished by the KO loses to guys eventually labeled journeyman.

Unfortunately that point is further exaggerated by the fact that Wlad suffers from the same non-American disease that Lewis had.

It's not fair, but true..

 

none of Lewis' two victories were as pathetic as Wlad's. also, thus far, Wlad has avenged just one of his losses.

Wlad has a long way to go IMO before he can be compared to Lewis.

Lewis may not have enjoyed the popularity of Tyson, but he distinguished himself without question as THE heavy-weight champion of the world. and he faced and beat everyone the public ever asked him to fight.

 

Ruiz did hold two major titles, though if you look at the circumstances you find that neither time did he actually beat a reigning champion to win them.

The first time he fought for a title it was after Lennox Lewis was stripped of a title. I'm sure that will bring a response of Lewis ducking Ruiz, and so be it...even if he chose to fight a contender widely considered the number one challenger right after he unified the titles.

The second time, Ruiz fought for an interim title after the fighter who beat him for the title (Jones) vacated it and moved down in weight.

Overall, Ruiz's record in title fights stands at something like 5-4-1-1.

If we're only counting the IBF title (because the WBO is a trinket), Klitschko's record in title fights is 4-0.

Maybe we should just wait to see how well both do in title fights throughout the remainder of their careers and see how they compare.

 

I don't think I said Wlad was on the same level as Lennox. I said Wlad, like Lewis, will forever have his legacy diminished by KO loses to journeyman.

And Lewis also didn't gain the popularity that he clearly would have had he been an American HW showing the same dominance.

Wlad has a long way to go to get close to matching Lewis, but the similarities I mentioned, exist right now.

 

ok. i see what you mean. but still, i see Lewis' knock-out losses as much more a departure than for Wlad.

also, again, Lewis decisively defeated both guys who knocked him out.

i guess what i'm saying is Wlad's KO losses aren't the only reason his legacy will be diminished.

his best win arguably came against Peter in a pathetic display if you ask me.

and a loss to the likes of Puritty? hardly a freak KO - it was a quit job.

i guess the point is, Wlad doesn't have nearly the luster on his legacy (nor will he ultimately IMO) to be tarnished by KO losses that Lewis did.

Wlad's KO losses don't stand in stark contrast to the rest of his career. Lewis' do. that's the only point i'm making.

 

How many times does a guy have to beat Everett 'Big Foot' Martin before you give him props?

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Wow. Oliver quitting and crying vs Lewis is not a decisive win. THATS A QUIT JOB. Wlad never quit vs Purritty. He's never quit in his life. Sdunek stopped it, with Wlad clearly gassed, but not wanting to stop. Be fair.

 

I'll try to sum up all the excuses so far:
1) Wlad was having shits
2) Wlad fought the wrong fight
3) Sdunek stopped it

Is anything missing?

 

Well there was a link but you've provided it. Thanks.

 

Lemmon will be looked back and probably the weakest guy to ever be CHAMP and be recognized "loosely" as THE champ

Wlad.. will not even get that.. he'll be a guy looked back on as people thought he could be somthing but he turned out to be a soft robotic german

 

I don't understand it either, frankly, he's overrated to be called "the second best heavyweight" considering who Chagaev has beaten recently. After the first Toney fight, Peter became the village dunce, he caused a roar of negative commotion, because 90% of us felt that he lost to Hasim Rahman's bitch, and then after the rematch, Toney's next fight consists of a gift decision against an obscure scrub, Toney is/was well and truelly done, but yet more than held his own in thier sequel. I'm picking an old Maskaev to outpoint the dummy, the way he outpointed Sinan Samil Sam who, armed with power, and a good chin, was supposed to steam roll the old, glass-chinned Maskaev, only to go home with a shut out loss and a broken jaw. I don't think he'll do the same with Peter, but I do believe he'll win on points if he's got anything left.

 

no, he quit 2 times shamelesly against limited opposition.

Anyway , he's getting ktfo by povetkin in 1-2 years.