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  1. PetreTG

    PetreTG WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    I haven't avoided anything TFK and you know it. You ask a question that's easily answered , but you try to make it sound impossible. In the past I have posted testimony of witnesses that saw evidence not only of bombs , but also of very strange activity prior to 9/11.

    No there was solid evidence of them. Witnesses saw the lower levels blown up.

    I totally disagree.

    Modern devices could easily provide the explosive power to bring down the towers. Right now there is evidence in the hands of various scientist who are testing each other's results , of much high radioactivity in debris recovered than should be possible. Evidence of some form of controlled nuclear devices.

    As the towers fall , it's absolutely clear on levels below the falling towers of areas blowing out from charges. Both towers did it. And WTC7 is so painfully obvious it's laughable. This is no mere coincidence ... but most completely ignore it out of ignorance.

    The speed of decent is a huge red flag .

    BTW ... I wonder if you know how easy access was to the core , which IMO is all that needed to be taken out. The beauty of the tower design in this scenario is Drop the core and the tower's would implode at the outer walls alone could never support the structure.

    A few strategically placed explosive devices dropping the core structure and it's bye bye towers.


    I do not disagree that something hit both towers ... I'm just not sure what that something was. One thing is absolutely certain ... there was video manipulation and something significant was edited out of later broadcasts.


    There is so much evidence of deceit surrounding 9/11 it's ridiculous ... but instead of looking at the big picture , you're looking at a tiny corner and saying "1+0=1 maybe" instead of looking at it as
    "1+1+1+1+1+1+1+3+5+9+etc etc = Holy fuck this don't add up like we're being told and all kinds of agenda's are coming to fruition as a result."

    But , don't worry ... I'm pretty much ready to give up on all you guys. You'll get what you deserve for your ignorance I'm sorry to say ... but don't say I didn't warn you.
     
  2. PetreTG

    PetreTG WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Petre was too busy installing a new hot tub and doesn't care about your post. :clap:
     
  3. Arben

    Arben "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    ...because Petre got shut up.

    ...except for Arben's points.
     
  4. CleanYourClock

    CleanYourClock "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    AGAIN - for the 10th time (how many times does this take before he understands)
    Read the last sentence.

    When you inject something , that means you are putting something into something else.
    If you are looking at this from a perspective "within" the crash as if you were inside the airplane (where the passport was located) , yes you are injecting something into the air.

    If you took a hypodermic needle & filled it with water and pushed down on it to release all the water , you just injected the water into the air.

    I'm certain there are other words I could have used (MY BAD) but it seems you are the only stupid muther fucker who didn't understand.<!-- / message --><!-- / message --><!-- / message --><!-- / message --><!-- / message --><!-- / message --><!-- / message -->
     
  5. toomuchsol

    toomuchsol Undisputed Champion

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    Hey Petre, since you keep missing this post somehow, i'll bump it for you.
     
  6. I and I

    I and I "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    How hard is it to rig a building with explosives to make it implode?

    listening to you guys it must be the hardest thing in the world to do.

    Can't you just bring in a fake cleaning crew or disguised as some other kind of business and just come in at night?
     
  7. toomuchsol

    toomuchsol Undisputed Champion

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    This is what a demolition team needed to bring down a 33 story building:

    In 24 days, CDI's 12 person loading crew placed 4,118 separate charges in 1,100 locations on 9 levels of the structure. Over 36,000 ft. of detonating cord and 4,512 non-electric delay devices were installed in CDI's implosion initiation system. As the implosion required the detonation of a total of 2,728 lb. of explosives, CDI implemented 36 "primary delays" and an additional 216 “micro-delays" in the implosion initiation sequence in an attempt to keep detonation overpressure to a minimum.
    http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=6&reqItemId=20020304145120
     
  8. Arben

    Arben "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    DO YOU OR PETRE HAVE ANY CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!???

    Have you ever been to ANY building in New York let alone the world trade center?

    You people are truly retarded. Even if the owner of the world trade center were to send his own personal "janitorial crew" of twelve guys dressed up as janitors to planted explosives, it would be impossible to rig the building with explosives. In order for them to even get into the building, they have to show identification and then be given access ONLY to the area that they are supposed to work. Even after that, they have to be supervised by a building official.

    You guys really need to grow up and face reality.


    EDIT: Meanwhile, this thread will dwindle down to the archives because I and I will avoid it at all costs and Petre will go back to his "hot tub" or looking up at the chemtrails in the sky.

    Just for the record, we had some big ass clouds in new york this past month! So much for that theory.
     
  9. CleanYourClock

    CleanYourClock "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    NO !

    All those people have had back round checks , given special ID's and have multiple supervisors that they report to ...

    How would you do that ? Kill all the regular workers and supervisors (mind you now , this is a couple of hundred people) and replace them with explosive experts ... :doh: :lol:
     
  10. Arben

    Arben "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Here is how you do it...

    Places like the world trade center hire companies to do the night cleaning. Those companies are the ones that are supposed to do the background checks. Now, someone could set up a dummy company and fudge all the facts. Then, they could somehow get a job within the building that would give them access to multiple levels in multiple rooms in the high-security building. After that, they would either have to pay off or kill whatever security or building supervisors there are.

    Then just getting the contract from the WTC would take up years if not decades because it's probably the biggest in the country.

    That's it!
     
  11. PetreTG

    PetreTG WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    According to building code here where I live , and you should be able to check the same in your area as most building codes are UBC. A Class A building will have the highest safety standards. Things like flamable liquids , gas lines any other explosive materials are not allowed in that type of building on any tenant levels. Usually these types od items will be located in the basement if they're on site at all.

    Further ... you can ... as I have done , look at the blue prints for every floor here and see for yourself what may or may not have been explosive. There were no natural gas lines , the heat was low pressure steam , the elevators were electric and hermetically sealed from different levels of the building covering no more than 30-40 floors.

    Where did I get that the WTC's were Class A is from an interview I read from one of the maintainance people that worled in the towers who described it as such and said there were no explosive materials located above street level.

    As for valueing your input ... there was nothing personal about my non answer to your question. It was a matter of being very busy right now preparing for a party for my 83yo Dad this weekend.
     
  12. PetreTG

    PetreTG WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Your points are about as sharp as the eraser end of a brand new pencil Arb.
     
  13. Arben

    Arben "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Prove to us all, oh holy one, how my first hand accounts hold no weight, Pet.

    :popcorn:
     
  14. PetreTG

    PetreTG WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Access is as easy as having the right connections . Period.

    You also must suspend the belief that it was perpetraited by a group of muslim fanatics.

    If anything I'd be much more suspiscious of the group of men that was filming the event and cheering across the river , who were questioned briefly and released. A 4 part expose on them pulled from airing ... oh and all their buddies here who are connected in various ways including the current 100 year lease holder. :cool:
     
  15. Arben

    Arben "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Absolutely wrong. So far off the mark it's not even funny.
     
  16. PetreTG

    PetreTG WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    You're a fool Arben ... stop wasting my time.
     
  17. Arben

    Arben "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Again, here we go with the namecalling because you have nothing in return.

    Do you want to know why you're absolutely wrong?

    I've worked as a Doorman, Security, and Janitor at many buildings high-security and not. Nobody ever goes in without the security/doorman approving it. It also has to be scheduled in advance and the doorman has to be notified. In high security buildings, not only is there a front desk security, but there's also a control room where they have access to the same schedule and they also supervise the front desk through security cameras.

    How do I know how these private cleaning companies work?
    Because since the day I was born, I have had a minimum of 10 close family members as cleaners. Sometimes I have had upwards of 30 family members in that industry at one time. If I take the train at 11:30 from the financial district, out of the 100 people on it at the time, I will personally know at least 20 of the people on that single train that aren't even related to me.

    How else do I know how these private companies work?
    Because my family owns one.



    You, sir, are the fool.
     
  18. CleanYourClock

    CleanYourClock "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    So Julio from Brooklyn was part of it all ...
     
  19. TFK

    TFK WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    All of that....and still no plausible explanation of how two of the biggest buildings in the world could be prepared for demolition without anyone finding out.

    Dance, dance, dance....


    TFK
     
  20. TFK

    TFK WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber.

    Honestly, that quote made me laugh out loud.


    TFK
     
  21. PetreTG

    PetreTG WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    You didn't even come close to understanding my point , which is why it's such a waste of time even trying to debate with you.

    And the WTC's have/had an entire underground labyrinth and entrance from far below ground. There was billions in gold stored down there , after 9/11 found in TRUCKs NOT where it was supposed to be locked up.

    The guy in charge of security was a Bush. Camera systems were shut down. Bomb sniffing dogs removed. Tower cams shut down on 9/11 that normally feed video to the news agencies.

    There's so many coincidental things surrounding that day , only stiffling the truth, confusion and disinfo has held that house of cards together.

    Do me a favor ... get a clue , unreproachable doorman and shut the fuck up. Arguing with you is like argueing with a retard and your points are meaningless and often just plain stupid.
     
  22. PetreTG

    PetreTG WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Yeah that's right ... I called you a name. :cool:
     
  23. toomuchsol

    toomuchsol Undisputed Champion

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    John O'Neill was the head of security for the WTC.

    I can also post an article from a Port Authority Police Officer who's bomb sniffing dog DIED in the WTC attacks.
     
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    What the hell toomuchsol? Trying to use facts on fightbeat? You my friend are now labeled a troublemaker.:lol:

    Im sure the guys real name is "John O'Neill Bush" :lol:
     
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    One more thing. I know the guy is lieing about his bomb sniffing dog dieing. Petre already said all of the dogs were removed. Try to get around that "fact"
     
  26. toomuchsol

    toomuchsol Undisputed Champion

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    Yeah, i guess John O'Neill was such a big part of the conspiracy that he decided to die on September 11th during the attacks. What a trooper.:clap:
     
  27. PetreTG

    PetreTG WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Did he work for Marvin Bush's company called Securacom that had the security contract for the WTC's? No ? ... that's what I thought.

    Maybe the way I put it was a bit loose , but I really don't have the time or energy to discuss it in details any more. The die has been cast and the lines drawn.

    John Oneil worked for the FBI counter terrorism unit and left due what he called repeated obstruction of his being able to perform his duty. On SEPT 10 , he moved into the WTC Tower's to take over from Securacom the duties of the WTC's .... prior to which , as I stated ... the time frame for setting up the towers for demolition was under the contract of a company connected to MARVIN BUSH.

    The very next day of the beginning of Johnny's new assignment , we all know what happened.

    Nice try.

    :cool:
     
  28. I and I

    I and I "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Having the right connections to bypass security, would be something like BUSH'S BROTHER RAN THE SECURITY FOR THE WTC COMPLEX

    yeah, a connection like that.
     
  29. TFK

    TFK WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Give me a plausible explanation on how two of the biggest buildings in the world could be prepared for demolition without anyone finding out.

    TFK
     
  30. toomuchsol

    toomuchsol Undisputed Champion

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    When was Securacom in charg of security at the WTC? What were the dates?
     

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