International Flavor Dominates (by Jaws)

Holyfield was a very good counterpuncher.

 

agERRATIC

 

:doh:

 

Just like 225lb Sanders with 20lbs of fat on him KO'd Wlad.

If Sanders was in shape , that puts him around 205 , just were Loius was.

 

That is meaningless ... His last fight at Cruiser he weighed fuckin 190 and had trouble making the weigh in ...

What he weighed earlier on when he was younger is meaningless.
That is like saying why would DLH have to dehydrate to 154 when he used to fight at 140.

I said his prime fighting weight at heavyweight was AROUND 210lbs ... Now you can go up or down a few pounds.
Between a few pounds under 210 and a few pounds over 210.
That is his prime weight. What are you not understanding here ?

 

and if Tony Galento or Buddy baer were in shape, they'd be 205 too, and yet they put Louis on his ass. Jim Braddock put him down for god's sake, Klitschko would find his chin and destroy him.

And so now because holyfield weighd in at 190 for his last CW fight, and eyed a move to heavy, he didn't put on 30lbs of muscle?

ur just not smart dude, let it go and step away

 

Yeah but for starters , they wore smaller gloves and Louis beat all of them.

Besides that , we AREN'T talking about who put Louis down. We are talking about who KO'd Wlad.
That happens to be a 6'2 225 - 20lbs of fat fighter.
That puts him at 205 if he was in shape. The same as Joe Louis.

Understand something , we are talking about how a small fighter with less skill KO'd Wlad , yet you still think an inshape 6'2 Joe Louis has no chance.

We aren't talking about who knocked Joe down. That is meaningless since Sanders has also been KTFO.

You are a stupid SOB.

 

if you think in ultra simplistic terms like jaws...it makes sense to assume wlad would TKO joe louis because he's imagining joe louis of the 1940's fighting wlad of today. now men with common sense, like the majority of this forum, will realize that if joe louis was the beneficiary of the advances in sports nutrition, weight training and advanced boxing techniques...in addition to his heart, skill, determination and indominable spirit...joe louis would without doubt be the favorite in such a contest. unfortunately, this way of thinking is far too abstract for young jaws...phonetap has to assume time will bring wisdom to the kid.

 

No insults in the general forum please! :nono:

 

YES, we are.

When I say fighter A beats fighter B, its for reasons. Reasons like fighter B has a bad chin and poor defense, which clashes poorly with fighter A's excellent offense.

Fighters that weren't half Klitschko's ability put him on his ass because of size and being able to fnd his chinny chin. What does Louis getting up and winning have to do with the fact that guys the calibur of Butterbean put him down?

Corrie Sanders fights nothing like Joe Louis, he his awkward, wild, a southpaw. Louis doesn't throw wild straight lefts. He is orthodox, compact, and frankly an easy target.

Because of this Klitschko would find him early and brutalize him

 

look Kanye

There were guys Klitschko's size in Louis era, and he struggled against all of them. You can't say "well if Newton had only had the advances of Einstein he'd have done more for science" or stupid analogies that assume a fighter or person from the past would miraculously transform into somethig else in the modern age.

thats typical ANALtap,...stupid.

 

not sure how Joe Louis' physique would be if he were to compete today. he'd either be a cut crusier or a beefed up (or juiced up) heavyweight.

as for corrie sanders, wladimir took him lightly and try to knock him out in the first 20 seconds of the fight. he got caught in the process and was fucked from there. otherwise, he would've won easily.

i'm actually curious to see that rematch. 1. inactivity won't really matter since he was never all that active prior to the first fight 2. because it's not like sanders had a prime 3. he can still punch

 

I agree.
However even if we took Joe Louis "as he was" , he is still 6'2 and 205lbs in shape and skinny.
We have fighters like Sanders who is 6'2 225 and overweight by 20lbs.
We have fighters like Brewster who is 6'2 230 and overweight by 20/25lbs.

 

Whatever , you are talking out your ass ...

Bottom fuckin line , if Sanders or Brewster were as in shape as Louis and didn't carry 20/25lbs of blubber, they would weigh the same as Joe Louis.
Not to mention they are the same height and both less skilled.

Unless you think the 20/25lbs of BLUBBER won them the fight Vs Wlad , you have NO argument.

 

dismissing louis as shitty fighter really says something about boxing.

he was a glorified champion in an era where the sport was most celebrated.

today boxing is a dying sport with shitty heavyweights.

i dont know who wins between louis vs. klitschko, but no one really knows.

this thread and its arguments within are pointless.

 

show me where I said Louis was a shitty fighter?

I said Galento and Baer were shit. Nothing u said had to do with the perceived match-up between Klitschko and Louis.

CYC I'm talking logic and facts. You are circumventing all of my points in favor of bullshit about blubber and "he's got a great chin because he got up and beat butterbean level fighters after being dropped."

thats just dumb dude,

 

Whats dumb is the fact that an overweight Lamon Brewster KO'd Wlad and he is 6'2 & weighed 226lbs with 20lbs of fat on him at the time.
Yet you say a 6'2 solid 205lb Joe Louis who is much more skilled would get battered and destroyed in 3 rounds ..

You make zero sense .

 

how was Brewster overweight, is there any basis for that?

ALSO, Brewster has a much better chin than Louis and he got fucking slaughtered for the first 4 rounds. Rest assured if it was Louis carrying 25 lbs less and eating the same shots with a worse chin, he'd have been KO'd early for sure.

 

Brewsters fat hanging over the sides of his shorts is the fuckin basis for that.

Brewster was never hit square on the jaw with those little ass gloves.

Bro , you are starting to sound like IandI at this point.

 

afaik, there isn't. Brewster looked pretty damn solid.
I think the 20 lbs overweight was originally directed at Sanders.
But,
even if you think it was '20 lbs overweight',
a rock solid guy at 210 lbs, and the same guy at 230, is going to be noticeably stronger at 230...noticeably.
He might not have the same stamina, whatever, but he is going to be stronger.

 

fuck you and your retardation

 

I disagree ... I'm as strong now at 184 as I was at 215. - And thats a larger increase on a smaller man.

When I was 204 , it was clear as day I could afford to lose 20lbs and I was way leaner then Brewster - not to mention Brewster is larger person then I am ..
Actually Brewster could probably afford to lose closer to 30lbs and in those pictures he is UNDER 230.







Here is Louis at about 205lbs.

 

:: Whatever man ..

 

Jaws keeps telling us about how Louis got knocked down by bums and yet he never mentions how Wlad was KTFO by 3 bums.

As for Louis having problems with heavier fighters, let's see how he did against fighters who weighed 220+lbs.

avg weight = 249lbs
avg rounds = 6

Joe Louis ko 6 Wlad Klitscko

 

this is the stupidest post of this entire thread

 

geez, you're dumber than phonetap thought. basically what you're saying is the athletes of today are bigger, stronger and faster because of evolution and not modern advances in boxing technique, medicine, science and technology. forget it you're a young kid with a small mind in desperate need to an asswhipping...phonetap is done dealing with you unless it's in person...then you'll keep your fucking mouth shut with this kanye shit.

 

dude your last album sucked, get over it.

Phonetap thought is apparently a new phenomena, cause in the past I gathered that Phonetap spewed verbal diarrhea as a hobby.

My arguments in this particular match-up as have been stated a million times is that Klitschko would abuse Joe Louis because of the size disparity, and Joe's bad chin up against Klitschko's great offense.

 

son...give up smacktalk and writing articles...you aren't good at either. :nono:

 

i dont know why jaws calls phonetap kanye, but his last album did suck.

 

u have apparently never seen ANALtap's picture