Floyd wouldn't win a round vs. Paul Williams

So basically Fraud's only shot would be to stink the whole arena out?
Oh shit, maybe I don't want to see this fight afterall. ::

 

REED ISN'T Saying that Floyd SHOULDN'T Fight Paul Williams:nono: ...

But just like REED WASN'T Impressed by Margarito,REED ISN'T about to Get GIDDY about Williams & DEMAND that Floyd Face him Either...

Though U CAN'T Stand him,Floyd is INDEED PROVEN...N Fact,he's Amongst THE Most PROVEN Fighters N the Fightgame...Hate @ your Leisure,but Let's Keep it REAL,Bama...

Floyd is the TOP DOG...Historically,The OTHER Guys Face EACH OTHER,to Get a Shot @ the TOP DOG...

The Onus ISN'T on the TOP DOG to Fight EVERYBODY Else...

Let's See what Williams Does from Here...He's Got Enough Time to Fight @ Least 1nce More N 2007...If he can Get Some Wins Over MORE "Names",then by the End of 2008,Williams could Conceivably FORCE Floyd N 2 Fighting him...


REED

 

Dude,BOXING is about Using your ADVANTAGES to Gain VICTORY...

If it's a "Stinker" or "Boring",that CAN'T Diminish the FACT that it's a WIN...For Instance, Whether U were "Entertained" or NOT,Floyd DOMINATED the "Linear Champ",Baldomir...

Floyd Haters DEMANDED that he Face the "Linear Guy"...After Floyd WAXED him 11-1,everybody Bitched Cause it Wasn't "Fan-Friendly"...

Sorry,but U DON'T Get Style Points for GETTING HIT or BLEEDING or Rising from the Canvas to Win...

REED

 

Well, I see Mayweather-Williams as a competitive bout and I wouldn't make a predicition until they signed to fight.

But I have to question a couple of your points:

1)Floyd could stick and move his way to victory..---- I don't know if Mayweather would be able to go in and out against the taller Williams. With Williams' persistent and long range jab constantly in the way, I think Floyd would have trouble pot-shotting. I see this a lot like Leonard-Hearns I in which Hearns, with his amazing reach, was able to jab the fuck out of the quicker, speedier, but shorter Leonard.

2) Williams doesn't have the power to get Floyd's respect------ Williams may not have the power to knock Floyd Mayweather out, but the quickness and different pace that he puts on his shots would certainly earn Floyd's respect.


Williams is a huge freak. The fact that he has all those physical advantages, fights from the southpaw stance and keeps up an incredible work rate, would be enough to make him difficult for anyone. If you throw in the added information we got from Williams last, namely that he has a ton of heart and a tremendous chin, and you've got a guy with a serious potential to be great.

 

Once that 'zero' is gone from Floyd's record, it's over for him.

 

I don't know anyone who demanded that Fraud fight Baldomir. Everyone I talked to was like "Why isn't Floyd fighting Margarito or Ricky Hatton?" Bumdomir was a guy with 2 names on his resume and had 8 losses. He was a journeyman who went on a cinderella run against flawed fighters in Gatti and Judah. Not very impressive to me but a good feel good story.

Fraud did dipshit at 147.

He beat Mitchell (shot, old, no hoper who got destroyed by Tsyzu already), Judah (wasn't the champ, Tsyzu already destroyed him in 2 rounds while Fraud needed 12), and the aformentioned Bumdomir.

I used to be a fan of Fraud, and I think he "could" beat most of the top guys at 147, but that's all Fraud is, he's the P4P best on PAPER.

I want to see Fraud fight Cotto, Fatton, and Paul Williams but fighting a past his prime, part-timer like Dela Joto?

Fraud is a good business man, but I think if he truly stays retired, his legacy will always be in question.

 

A young 6'3" guy who can throw 1200 + punches in a 12 round fight? Floyd is staying far far away.

 

You don't remember Baldy being called a "welterweight version of Castillo"? ::

Seriously, though, the people calling the loudest for him to fight Baldomir were the media...you know, the ones who unanimously picked Mayweather to beat him once they congregated for that mismatch.

 

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I think it was the same way with Gatti. Fraud has brilliant match making skills but he has the heart of a shrew.

 

Yeah, you actually said all that really needs to be said.. It ain't happening.

 

Fraud groupies have already come up with excuses for why Fraud doesn't have to fight either fighter.

Here's the opinion of the Fraud nuthuggers on Margarito and Paul:

On fighting Margarito: "Floyd doesn't have to fight Margarito, he got beat by a prospect."

On fighting Paul Williams: "Floyd doesn't have to fight Williams, he's just a prospect."

Well I'll be damned. Floyd cleaned out the fucking division without lacing up the gloves. LEGEND!

 

Yeah, but let's not sit on the fence either!

It's equally annoying and even less impressive....

 

I've always felt Paul would give Floyd hell, and yesterday just re-enforced my belief and then some.

Williams UD Floyd

 

there's a difference between being objective, and being a total nutlicking faggot.

I am objective, you are not.

 

I am very objective: objectively CORRECT!

You are just trying to pretend that you're being mature and objective about this, but really and truly you're just sitting on the fence...and ANYONE can do that if they want to.

I'm a die hard Floyd fan, and proud of it, but I have admitted that this is a hard fight for him. I still make him the clear favourite though....

 

Did you see Mosley-DLH I? :dunno:

Shane soundly beat Oscar much more convincingly and impressively than Mayweather did.

Floyd won by default.

 

no. You are never objective and as usual are dumb as fuck when it comes to common sense.

I'm not sitting on the fence, I'm saying people who feel this loss by margarito justifies Floyd not ever facing him are fucking idiots. Equally, people who are now gonna favor Paul Williams over the best fighter in the world after Margarito need a reality check.

You need both a reality check, and some common sense

 

Muzse, even IF this were true, your opinion here is null and void. You are a self professed Floyd HATER and we all know that Shane's your favourite fighter.

What else would you say?

I had Floyd beat Oscar 8-4 as did MOST observers, and 9-3 isn't that much of a stretch.

The first Oscar-Mosley fight was 7-5 for Shane, OBJECTIVELY, and that's in scoring round 7 for Shane...because of the sudden slight shift in momentum...even though Oscar threw and landed more in that particular round.

 

Jaws you know the rules. That type of thing isn't to be tolerated in this particular forum,.

 

The Dela Joto that Shane fought was in his prime and active. The one that Fraud fought was fighting once every year and in his mid 30s.

 

shut the fuck up.

your subjectivity is as big a cancer to the boards as your hooves

 

Now Floyd is ducking Williams :: .. this kid just came to the scene.

Mayweather just can't win so why bother, if he fights Hatton or Cotto, he's ducking the big welters and taking the safe route, if he fights Margarito, well he was just a tough hombre, SRL whipped guys like that all the time, and if he fights Williams well, he fought an unproven, unexperienced champ and ducked Hatton and Cotto.

Just listen to yourself, damn. :doh:

 

dsimon writes:

You make the point that I object to in so far as the argument goes regarding Floyd's opposition. I would be willing to bet the house that if Floyd took down Williams tomorrow people would say he took an easy fight. And the truth is they would be correct. What is so horrible about letting Williams fight Cotto or Hatton?

Cotto and Hatton are legitimate opponents for Floyd or for Williams. But Floyd is the best on the middle divisions right now and that fact does not register for people.

 

REED loves Floyd as much as you do and even HE said Floyd won "unimpressively."

Is his opinion null and void too?

BTW...I had Floyd winning 8-4...

Let's take a look at the punchstat numbers...

DLH-Mosley I

DLH - 257 of 718 - 36%
Mosley -284 of 687 - 41%

DLH-PBF

DLH - 122 of 587 - 25%
PBF - 207 of 481- 43%

TRANSLATION: Mosley threw and landed more shots...not to mention, Shane went out and FOUGHT Oscar.

Anyone who suggests that Shane's victory was less dominant than Floyd's is either REEDtarded or completely blind.

There was absolutely NOTHING dominating about Floyd's win.

 

Williams doesn't fight tall and Floyd's height would be as much of an issue for him as it would be for Floyd.

I recall Corrales and Mosley both saying that John Brown was a tougher than expected fight for them because he was so short he was hard to hit flush.

 

Yeah, but Brown wasn't close to winning those fights...though he did take a couple rounds from Mosley and a few more from Corrales.

Brown also had an incredibly hard head...and could wrestle alligators. ::

Williams throws a high volume regardless of whether they land or not...he doesn't fight tall but it does end up being (sometwhat) tall because of his height and reach (and Mayweather is unlikely to crowd him like Margarito did, who walked through a lot of punches to do it)...and Williams doesn't load up on his punches, a result of which is he doesn't get arm weary.

 

I'm glad FightBeat posters are smarter than Boxrec posters.

I posted this exact same thread on Boxrec and the Fraud nuthuggers are clinging onto every inch of Gayweather dick skin they can bite onto with their yellow fucking teeth.

 

anyone who disagrees with you has to be a nuthugger? anyone who says shit like fraud, gayweather, and switches up boxers name is a silly immature person imo, thats some elementary school shit.

a grown man losing sleep and just wishing with all their might that an athlete will be defeated by any and every other boxer who steps into their weight class isnt smart imo, takes more energy to hate then it does for those who u claim to be nut huggers to see shit with a balanced mind

 

Other than the Hopkins fix, it is Mosley who has beaten Oscar more impressively than anyone else, certainly more impressive than Floyd.

Oscar is literally a part time fighter, part time boxing promoter now. I think it's safe to say his heart isn't as much into the boxing side of it now, just the money, and the promoting, which brings money.

Mosley fought a prime oscar, went out there and fought him, power boxed him, whatever, he went for it, and beat him impressively - 8 - 4, and fought like he wanted to WIN, not like he was trying not to lose.

Floyd scraped a win over oscar, unimpressively.

Which is especially pathetic given his antics and bullshit before the fight.

I hate leonard, being a duran man, but leonard was 10 times the fighter floyd is.

 

I don't think Floyd can beat Williams but I don't see Williams winning all 12 rds though.