Does PBF have more to prove to be considered truely great?

Yes. And he also has the opportunities to stake a claim.

Despite winning very narrowly against a past-prime inactive for 2yrs DLH who had been beaten more convincingly by others when he was prime & active, PBF still has the opportunity to stake a claim for greatness.
He has Cotto, Hatton, SSM, Margarito & Williams. If he beats all those guys. he has a strong claim. It's up to him.
As a boxing fan, you should be wanting to see a truly talented fighter like PBF do all he can to put naysayers in a position where they have no choice but to recognise that claim. You should see a great talent & want to see what he's made of. You should say to yourself "we could get some truly great fights here!". You should be wanting PBF to stake his claim, not settling for seeing a great talent make excuses for not taking on the best around him, to prove in every way possible that he's great.
When he has those fights out there, as a boxing fan "he would beat them anyway" just shouldn't cut it.
As boxing fans you should demand more from a talent such as PBF.
Do you want to see PBF fight Cotto, Hatton, Williams, Margarito, SSM?
Who are the best fighters he has fought?.
How do you think his best opponents stack up against Cotto, Hatton, Williams, Margarito, SSM?

If PBF doesn't take the challenges available to him, he has no claim to true greatness.

 

The guy won't do anything of the sort. He's a f*cking joke. Overhyped! People only started paying attention to him once Roy got knocked off the top of the P4p list. So then everybody went to the #2 on the list, that being Floyd.

 

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That's right, he has to fight all of them. Well maybe not marge, but at least marge or williams.

In all honesty, even if he went 2-2 against these fighters I think he would have more claim to greatness than he does now.

His careful matchmaking is pathetic, only 1 level above space monkey hamed.

 

No.

According to the Fraud groupies, Fraud doesn't need to fight the following people:

Margarito - He lost recently. Fraud would beat him anyway.
Paul Williams - He's just a prospect. Fraud would beat him anyway.
Miguel Cotto - He's in his prime and young. Fraud would beat him anyway.
Ricky Hatton - Collazo gave him trouble. Fraud would beat him anyway.

Fraud SEALED his legacy at 147 by stinking out the arena and making fans leave mid-fight by throwing 35 punches a round against the legendary Bumdomir. :clap:

 

Wow. Fightbeat has developed AIDS since I last visited.

 

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Hamed at least came into the ring flipping like a monkey and riding magic carpets. :nono:

 

Does PBF have more to prove to be considered truely great?

"Well...Wow.....You have Me There...I am Stumped...You Know...You'll have To Get Back To Me On That One....."

 

:bears:

 

The amazing thing is that the fights against Baldomir and Oscar should have hurt Mayweather's claim to greatness. Instead, those fights have convinced Mayweather and his fans that he would whip everyone from 140 to 175 so easily that it's not even worth the effort..

 

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ANYONE can look like a monkey, black, white, asian, etc.

"Oriental" and "Mongrel" only applies to certain types of people.

 

Well, in the 20th Century, the word "monkey" was usually etc etc etc

 

Your reputation for using race in an inflammatory way makes your comments indefensible.

 

Uhh...what else should Race be used for????:dunno:

 

As a way to polarize boxing fans of different fighters to make bouts more exciting? :dunno:

 

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Would that work on Mayweather bouts???

 

Yes, I think PBF needs to fight the likes of Cotto, Williams, Hatton, to be considered one of the greatest ever.

However, he has already proven to be one of the best of his era.

Hopefully those two types of things aren't being confused with the obvious flamebait postin going on right now, but maybe I'm giving too much credit.

 

That's a far cry from saying p4p king

 

at this point floyd would have to beat say these 3...Mosley Cotto and Wright for me to consider him great...i consider him very good

 

This is a reasonable claim

 

The guys Floyd needs to beat to complete his legacy are Mosley, Hatton, and Cotto.

Funny thing it was public that Floyd tried to make a fight with Hatton at 140 and has tried to get Shane in the ring for years. No to mention last year.

They gave bullshit reasons not to make the fight and it was ok. Floyd retires and they call him out, all of a sudden he is ducking them?:dunno:

The Cotto fight also but Arum was always honest in saying that Cotto needed time to grow as a boxer and as a household name. To eventually become a mega fight with Floyd. I think that plan has developed nicely.

Margarito and Williams are good fighters but won't make a break Floyd's legacy.

 

The only sensible post I've read on this thread. The quality on this forum is going down, and hard.

Where have the quality posters gone?

 

get off your high horse

 

Mayweather is a great fighter, nobody can take that away from him, lots of people want to see him fight cotto, margarito, williams and such because they have the hope that one of them will beat him. And when/if he fights them and beat them, people will say how overrated they were to start with, "He never fought any great fighter, blah blah blah"

 

Yeah, but people made the same arguments about the middleweight division Hopkins fought in.

Eventually, though, critics recognize that a fighter who reigns for that long of a period of time and clearly establishes themselves as the best fighter in their division for that extended period - as Hopkins certainly did - deserves credit.

The welterweight division is often one of the best divisions in boxing, and right now has a number of quality opponents.

Most recognize that the division is stronger now as he's moving down than it was when he's moving up (with additions of Cotto and Mosley, plus Williams' emergence).

Mayweather doesn't have to fight them all, but he does have to fight some...if it really wants to cement his stay at 147.

 

Floyd has already proven his greatness credentials, his accomplishments below 140 sealed that IMO, some people have short memories. Recent years have soured those memories a little however.

 

No, when you are force fed p4p king......there is a time to say enough is enough :nono:

 

As a boxing fan, I would feel dissapointed & in a sense cheated to see a great talent, & potential great fighter like PBF retire at this stage.

If that was to happen I would invite any fan of boxing to examine very closely & critically any claim they may think he has to greatness, given the potentially challenging, career defining fights he would have failed to take, ( Cotto, Hatton, Williams, Margarito, SSM) & how his list of actual opponents stack up against them.

As I said, when he has those fights out there, as a boxing fan "he would beat them anyway" just shouldn't cut it.

Personally, I would like to see those fights made, not because I want to see PBF beaten, but rather because, as a boxing fan I like the best possible fights, & as a boxing fan I like to see a great talent seek out the greatest challenges available to him, & in so doing, legitimately stake his claim as a great fighter.

 

Do you count yourself among them?
boxingnotboxers post was a very good one.
Yours added nothing whatsoever.