The "I NEVER was Impressed by Margarito" Bandwagon...

At one point it was the logical fight and you know it as well as anyone else. You are now on the level of REED and Sly. Congrats to you!

 

The champion of WW against the champion of Jr. WW. The fight belongs wherever it happens. Hatton is just as big as Floyd (if not bigger), it really don't matter what weight the fight happens at.

 

Oh and REED was right earlier when he referred to me. He has never been impressed with Margarito. Even before Margarito became overhyped REED didn't think much of him. IMO, Margarito is a solid, entertaining fighter. However it got ridiculous how he was getting so much hype because he wasn't in Floyd's plans.

 

I was also never impressed with Marg as well.

Man there is so much hypocrisy when it comes to certain fighters. Shit is not even funny. On one hand people claim that PBF was not the real champion at 140lbs because he failed to fight Hatton. They said that he had to beat the man at 140lbs to become the man at 140lbs. Well Zab was the man at 147lbs. Why because he beat the man that was considered the man. Then PBF fights and beats Baldy and becomes the man due to the fact that Baldy beat Zab. Just to recap PBF was not the man at 140 cause he failed to beat the man at 140lbs but yet PBF fights and beats the man at 147lbs he gets no credit for doing so. Regardless of what we think of Baldy's skills as professional fighter he still beat the man which made him the man. All I'm sayin is that people need to be consistant. I'll Holla 5000

 

I thought the man who beat the man goes back through the path of Hatton?

 

That's clearly not what I said but whatever.

Keep making excuses for why guys shouldn't fight. I'll keep hoping the right fights are made. You know, we might have missed out on the fab 4 clashes had they been around today. That would have been a huge loss for boxing as a sport.

 

:bears:

Once again you prove you are indeed "The Genius".

I'm so tired of what seems to be mostly Floyd fans explaining why Floyd should never have to fight someone because of <insert stupidity here>.

Personally as a fight fan before a fan of any ONE fighter, I'd like to see the best take on the best and leave no ? marks of who's best

 

Thanks man.

I'm not a fan of Floyd's style but that is irrelevant. I am a fan of Roy Jones and I feel we got robbed of some great matchups because of this mentality. Win, lose or draw, Roy's resume could have been MUCH better had he just MADE THE FIGHTS. Yeah guys like Hop priced themselves out and DM wouldn't leave home base but Roy could have done alot more to make these happen.

Floyd is unquestionably the most skillful fighter in boxing right now. I really hope he doesn't let an arrogant attitude spoil his chance to truly rise to the upper echelon of boxing.
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The correct name for this bandwagon is,..

"People who were SHOCKED & TRAUMATIZED witnessing Fraud's TELLINGLY VUNERABLE & UNSTABLE, SOCIOPATHIC reactions when confronted with the proposition of fighting Antonio Margarito in mid 2006, and have yet to get over it BANDWAGON". :crafty:

The 'never impressed' part is an obvious, vicarious ploy with one of Fraud Mayweather's darkest chapters in mind, boulstering cosey numbers around boxing's truest insecure cancer, in the name of hithering up misled members who dislike Margarito's technical deficiencies despite his action packed style. Now Reed,..although I hope this method temporarily helps relieve the pain of those SEARING memories,..one day I truelly hope you can come to your rational senses and start pointing the finger in the direction of the REAL purportrator, instead of pointing it everywhere else,..and on that same day, may you be more honest to Reed first and foremost, and then more honest to your peers,.. :nono:...:nono:

 

dsimon writes:

So anybody who thinks Margarito was not a match for Floyd is a Floyd apologist? Those are broad brushstrokes you are using to paint that barn with Z.

 

dsimon writes:

Does that make you a Floyd apologist also V? :dunno: Apparently if somoene is not impressed with Margarito they are a Floyd apologist. That is nonsense.

 

dsimon writes:

You are totally mistating my point, I never even took a stand on Floyd's fightmaking program, except to say he should fight Hatton next. Valdista's point sums it up best. "if you don't think Margarito belongs in the ring with Floyd because you are unimpressed with Margarito that means what?

I guess in my case that means that I am a Floyd apologist. Thats a narrow definition of a Floyd nuthugger to me but whatever.::

 

That's the entire piont, dsimon.

Margarito was ranked by almost everybody in the top 3-4 in the division...(he'll probably still be ranked in the top 5 even after losing, because he's beaten two top 5-8 contenders and narrowly lost to one who is now a top 3-4 fighter in Williams).

So when people make the argument that Floyd shouldn't be fighting a fighter ranked in the top 5 (higher, at the time), who has been a champion for seveal years, it's smacks of apology.

I've never been one who claimed Mayweather "ducked" Margarito, but the argument used by those taking his side in the argument are ridiculous...especially when they say he wasn't good enough, and then turn around and say Baldomir was.

BTW, Bdomir was regarded as "Bumdomir" by a lot of Mayweather fans up to and until the fight with Mayweather became a sure thing...and don't tell me a knockout win over Gatti was the difference.

Gatti was considered by many the FAVORITE in that fight - despite having no business being in it - and there were already arguments cropping up that Mayweather should be considered the best welterweight if Gatti beat Baldomir and won the title...even though he didn't do it himself.

Baldomir was not a respected champion and very lightly regarded.

Mayweather fought Baldomir to win "the welterweight championship".

I accept that.

But not the argument he was somehow a better fighter than Margarito.

And though winning the "welterweght championship" was important...it wasn't that important to him when he was selling the fight with Judah.

It also wasn't important to him when he was looking at fighting Spinks.

There's a very selective process being used when it comes to Mayweather and his fans/supporeters when discussing and debating Mayweather's opponents and the reasons behind them.

 

Wrong,..

Wrap your eyes around this little number Mitch, if you'd like to hear it directly from the horses mouth,..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFnaaK0KlTE

Fraud-apologists,....EXPOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSEEEEEDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!

 

:warning:

 

Originally Posted by dsimon3387
dsimon writes:

Bullshit. People can't stand the fact that Mayweather knew Margarito was not worth the time or effort.

How exactly did I misstate that? You're saying at the time the fight was brought up, Mayweather knew Margarito wasn't worth it. I call BS on that. Marg's last fight doesn't prove anything either way.

Btw, I've stated I don't like Floyd's style but here's something else: I have never seen Margarito fight. EVER. This has nothing to do with the two guys but more the whole situation of boxers avoiding each other because they are somehow 'unworthy'.

I haven't called you a nuthugger and I won't. Just stating my opinion on the state of the game.

 

Have U Seen Carlos Baldomir Fight,GZA??...More Importantly,did U C Baldomir Fight Floyd Mayweather???...

Margarito is Basically Another Baldomir,Only a TAD Quicker w/a TAD more Power on his Shots...A Very BASIC,Come Forward,Take 3 Shots to Land 1 PRESSURE Fighter...He WINGS Practically EVERY Shot & is EXTREMELY SLOW & EASY to Hit...Like Baldomir,Margarito's BEST Attributes R his CHIN & his Determination...He's Pretty AVERAGE N Every Other Regard,Honestly...

STYLES Make Fights & the Same Way Floyd Beat Baldomir,he'd Beat Margarito...Floyd Beat Baldomir 11 Rounds to 1...@ BEST,Margarito would LOSE to Floyd 10-2 or 9-3...The Bout WOULDN'T B Close & it WOULDN'T B Entertaining...Again,it'd Look Just like Floyd-Baldomir did...

NOBODY is Excusing Floyd from Fighting Tough Fights,but the Thing is,STYLISTICALLY,Guys like Mosley,Cotto,Hatton AND Williams would ALL B Tougher Fights...

Why Insist on Putting Floyd N w/a Style he's ALREADY DOMINATED,when there's Other Styles Out there???...


REED:dunno:

 

dsimon writes:

Ok Kudos for using some good evidence to try to make your point but the context I made that statement in was as follows: To make the point that Margarito does not deserve to be Floyd's next fight because of the reasons stated. It was not to say that Floyd should not fight anybody, or to condone Floyd not fighting the best opponent available.

Again what is your beef with people who do not think Margarito belongs in the ring with Floyd:dunno:. You are going through all this effort to somehow make my statements part of a bigger Floyd genre and they are not.

I know what I said and the context of my words because I know what I believe BTW. You will also notice that I said "If Floyd does not fight one of the better guys in the division like Hatton he is ducking."

Margarito has not proven to me he belongs in the ring with Floyd.... bottom line and if Floyd feels the same way we agree! It does not mean I agree with all his match making, or that I codone all his ways. :doh: Do I really smell like Sly?::

 

What I love about rationale like this is that Super Floyd felt Sharmba Mitchell was worth stepping in the ring with at 147 pounds, but Antonio Margarito wasn't...

:: :: Right....

 

dsimon writes:

Again, you are talking about Floyd's fight selection process and I am talking about Margarito.

 

dsimon writes:

Another idiotic post... I am not talking about Mitchell I am talking about Margarito.

 

He May have Been on the DOWNSIDE of his Career,but @ his HEIGHT,Sharmba Mitchell was on the Outskirts of Lb 4 Lb Contention,Something Margarito could NEVER Say...

AND,Sharmba's Resume SHITs on Margarito's...


REED

 

You're really trying your hardest, Reed.:: It's plain as day that you're a Floyd apologist and you're scared of Margarito ever meeting him in the ring. Floyd fans seem to have a genuine fear of Margarito getting his hands on their little pretty boy.

 

this post is utter B.S.

Margarito is far superior to Baldomir. By leaps and bounds. And for you to suggest otherwise?

"He's Pretty AVERAGE N Every Other Regard,Honestly."

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Why? because he doesn't conform to your preconceived notion that a fighter has to fight like he's playing basketball to be good?

Margarito landed plenty of short right hands on Williams, threw tons of short left-hooks to Williams' body, moved his head a lot, blocked a lot of Williams' 1,300 punches, and I promise you, handled Williams better than PBF could ever hope to.

You think Margarito beats fighters like Clottey and Cintron on heart alone? That's ridiculous.

If PBF grows a pair, you'll see.

 

are you fucking serious?

 

From Day 1,Floyd Had his Sights SET on a Big Money Fight w/DeLa & he Took the Necessary Steps to MAKE it Happen...When Floyd won a Title @ 130,did he just SIT on the Title & Say that DeLa was DUCKING him???...

No,Floyd BOLSTERED his Position by Winning Titles @ 135,140,147 AND Became Recognized as THE Best Fighter N the World,Lb 4 Lb...Eventually,Floyd Positioned HIMSELF for that Big Money Fight that he had Always Wanted...

What BOTHERS REED about Margarito is this Notion that Floyd OWES him Something...Sorry,but Margarito SAT on the WBOgus Title,the LEAST Respected of the 4 Major Belts & Beat MEDIOCRE,Decent or JOURNEYMAN Fighters @ Best,N Defense of that Strap...

& Just when he's BEGINNING the Process of Positioning Himself,he LOSES...

Sorry,but Floyd DOESN'T Owe Margarito SHIT:nono: ...There's @ Least 3-4 MORE Deserving Fighters N Floyd's Weight Range...



REED

 

U Couldn't B MORE Wrong,HANZY...

REED Actually WISHES Floyd had Faced Margarito Cause REED is CONVINCED that Floyd would have Beaten him as EASILY as he Beat Baldomir...

THEN, we WOULDN'T have to Hear about Margarito Anymore...


REED

 

word.

 

Unfortunately we aren't talking about the peak of Mitchell's career. We are talking about November 2005. We are a talking about a Mitchell that had twice been destroyed by Tszyu by that point.

Meanwhile Margarito was unbeaten for 9 years and fresh off his destruction of Kermit Cintron who, as you know, was a highly-regarded, undefeated prospect at the time.

Nobody, and I emphasize NOBODY, considered Mitchell a more worthy opponent at that point.

I am not diminishing Floyd's ability or accomplishments. I just can't stand people awarding him so many "paper" wins because they don't feel this guy or that guy is a worthy challenger..

 

It Sounds like U're Trying to Suggest that Margarito Uses SKILL to Win Fights,which is "UTTER BULLSHIT"...The Guy is FACE FIRST,a WINGER,PATHETICALLY EASY to Hit & Fights @ a SLOTH's Pace...

If U Sent Margarito an Email ALERTING him that his Opponent was Throwing an Uppercut,Margarito Still COULDN'T Avoid It...

2 say that Margarito is "Far Superior" to ANYBODY is a JOKE...YES,he Beat Clottey & Cintron on "Heart",or WILL or DETERMINATION,whatever U Wanna Call it...

N the Case of Cintron,it Didn't HURT that he was COMPLETELY UNSURE of himself,N that Bout...


REED