If the Klitchsko brothers were fused into one boxer...

I think prime Tyson is one of the worst possible matchups for wlad...wlad is like a surgeon tyson is like a rapid pitbull......who would you bet on a surgeon or a pitbull? there you go

 

You think a pitbull would beat a surgeon? ::

 

with ease

 

Pitbulls can be tamed and taken out.

 

omg fine then a nazi machine gun versus a jewish chess champion

 

Tyson fought a lot of tall guys in his day. There were the Sammy Scaffs, Mike Jamisons, Tony Tuckers, Mitch Greens, Bonecrusher Smiths, Jose Ribaltas, etc. Although none of those guys I think have the full blend of size, strength, power and athletic ability of Wladimir Klitschko.
I still would love to have seen how a prime Tyson gets around that long powerful left jab and at the same time tries to fight out of Wlad's clinch and also the problem that comes with being 5'9 and trying to reach Wlad's head. Tyson would have to leave his feet. The one thing that stands out even moreso is that Tyson would always do his 'reset' routine whenever a ref broke the clinch. He'd put his gloves together to his chin and try again and again and again.
Do you think this is just a situation where size really does matter? Tyson is giving up every conceivable advantage physically. His only equalizer being his power. I think his speed would be nullified by Wlad's long jab, height, and clinching style.

 

If Wlad didn't crumble under pressure and tyson's power then he beats him sure but i think the tyson hype and everything else going into the fight would make wlad a little unsure of himself and that'd be enough for tyson to rip him apart

 

Well there are many scenarios. That could be the most logical one but not the most likely considering Manny Steward has done a decent job building Wlad's confidence back up.

 

wlad obviously isn't unbeatable, but he's hard to beat when he's focused. Lennox Lewis would beat Wlad 10 times out of 10, by KO

 

This picture pretty much proves your point.



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Don't mess with the Greatest.



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GTFOH! Wlad wouldnt last 3 rounds with a prime Mike! If Sam Peter found a way to tag, and hurt him, Tyson could definitely blast him out!

Vitali would give Mike more trouble than fragile ass Wlad.

 

Ali sure looks tiny here...

 

Your thinking about the post-prison Tyson, who was STICTLY a 4-5 round fighter, then burnt out. Pre-prison Tyson was still capable of stretching someone past 4-5 rounds. But it wouldnt go that far anyway.

 

Not by soft ass, chinless Wlad.

 

Pitbulls have hearts.

 

Agreed. Wlad has yet to prove to me that he can FIGHT! Sure he can box, and he can punch, but to beat a prime Tyson, you need to stand your ground and FIGHT him as well. Wlad when pressured always backs up, which is suicide against Mike. I agree with you that Mike is the worst possible matchup for Wlad.

 

How can you defend Hamed in one breath, and continually bash Tyson in the other?

 

Sure Tyson could've taken him out, but Wlad could've as well. I don't buy into the Tyson myth as this monster of a man, he had weaknesses as well, and he too reigned over weak opposition.

Tyson best opponent he ever defeated?

Donovan Razor Ruddock.

What does that tell you?

Remember when he fought tall ass Tony Tucker?

Yes, Tyson pretty much dominated because Tony Tucker was scared, but if you recall in the 15th round, Tucker decided to throw his only hard right-hand punch of the fight, and he hurt Tyson, his legs went jello, and Tucker's right hand was nowhere near as powerful as Wlad's, if Wlad had landed that right hand, adios Iron Mike.

While I do give the edge to Tyson (due to Wlad's suspect chin), he is by no means this invincible monster, Wlad certainly has the boxing ability and the punching power to have been a threat to Tyson.

 

HA! I could ask you the same thing, with the names reversed.

 

Tony Tucker actually had a chin. Wlad does not. Wlad has all the talent in the world, but he's too fragile, chin-wise and mentally to have beaten Mike. Mike wouldnt be lounging on the outside, waiting to get hit like slow ass Peter, and Brewster.

Jesus Christ, Tyson is so slept on nowadays!

 

I dont discredit Hamed nearly as much as you do Tyson. I admit the lil midget was a murderous puncher with tremendous raw talent, but beating up corpses, ducking Marquez, and quitting after his first loss prevents me from thinking of him as a great.

 

Bro, I have never been fully sold on Tyson, you should know that by now.

He could've done so much more in his prime, he fed on nothing but palookas, like I said, and I'll keep saying it again, and again, the BEST fighter he EVER defeated was Razor Donovan Ruddock, and one-dimensional left-hooker.

Sure the man had impressive and destructive KOs, but just LOOK at who they were:

Tubbs
Tucker
Berbick
Bruno
Lightheavyweight Spinks
Washed up as fuck Holmes

...and on, and on, and on...

How come he never fought Riddick Bowe? Holyfield sure did, THREE times.

When he finally decided to fight good solid fighters, he got ass-raped:

Douglass
Holyfield...TWICE...he bailed in the second fight with them bites
Lewis

...and of course Tyson groupies cry, "he was past his prime" crap, please, when he fought Holyfield, the Real Deal was much more ring worn and beat up (older as well) than Iron Mike.

Sorry bro, I have never bought the Mike Tyson legend, to me, he's not CLOSE to being an all time top ten heavyweight.

 

Bowe & Tyson probably woulda fought had Mike not gotten locked up. Tyson was in jail through the duration of Bowe's brief prime. During Mike's comeback there were talks of Bowe-Tyson, but both blew it cause Bowe got his ass whupped twice vs Golota, and Mike lost to Holy. So no, not fighting Bowe isnt Mike's fault, unless your saying Mike went to jail to duck Bowe.::

And Tyson fought the best available comp the division had to offer at the time, and OBLITERATED them all! Its not his fault the division was average in the late 80's. The only two guys you can complain he didnt face during that time were Foreman, and Witherspoon. But had Mike beaten Foreman of course they woulda said George was old, and shot like Holmes, and had he beaten Spoon they woulda just grouped Spoon in with Tubbs, Tuckers, Bruno's, and Smiths.

Tyson is easily top 10 all time! Name 10 heavyweights you'd pick to BEAT a prime Tyson, and your lying to yourself! Name 10 heavyweights as DOMINATE as he was from 86-89 and your lying to yourself.

 

Ok, you made some good arguments on Tysons' favor, I can respect that, I just take issue when some people try to diminish Holyfield's dominance over him by saying Tyson was past his prime, I don't believe that whatsoever, the one who was more past when they fought was the Real Deal himself.

 

you could just as easily have fused together a chinny robot

 

The Tyson aura revolved around his persona, and his style, his legendary power and the potential he exhibited when he was at his best, we never knew the "tyson that could've been", we know the tyson that was, and he didn't really amount to much, except rapid success through the rankings and ultimately to the world championship, but what really separates the best from the rest, the longevity of the reign of a fighter, Tyson never achieved it, instead lost to douglas, and then went to prison, just to come back with time lost, not focused, and all in all not the animal people made him out to be. To say that he could've beaten Wlad, yeah, maybe, but which version of Tyson could've been that? The one that we saw, or the one that we always hoped for...?

 

Oh great, we have the two-joke wonder entering the scene here.

Got anymore fat jokes for me, wigga?

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Its not an excuse. Tyson of 96 was a shadow of the late 80's, or even early 90's version. Tyson vs Holy in the early 90's woulda been a much more competitive fight cause Mike wouldnt have burnt out nearly as fast, and his reflexes were alot better then. That doesnt mean he'd have WON, but it wouldnt have been the same fight, in my humble opinion.

 

Never accomplished much? 2 time heavyweight champion, youngest ever heavyweight champ in history, first man in the decade to Unify the titles, dominated the division for nearly 4 years. Yup, he never accomplished shit.

See, this is what I mean bout Tyson being underrated.