Two best fighters in every division all time

Inspired by the X-Man's thread, naturally.

BEST, not necessarily "greatest".

Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis (opcorn: )
Cruiserweight: Holyfield, James Toney (again...opcorn: )
Light Heavyweight: Spinks, Charles
SuperMiddleweight: Jones, Calzaghe
Middleweight: Jones, Hopkins (opcorn: )
Jnr Middleweight: Hearns, McCallum
Welterweight: Leonard, Robinson
Jnr Welterweight: Chavez, Aaron Pryor
Lightweight: Duran, Mayweather Jnr
SuperFeatherweight: Mayweather Jnr, Pacquaio
Featherweight: Pep, Saddler
Below Featherweight: [I'm out of my element :: ]

Editted to change: Ezzard CHarles instead of Jones at Lightheavyweight and Jones instead of Monzon at Middleweight.

 

you should be banned from posting

 

dsimon writes:

thats a pretty good list. I don't see Jaws list.... I must have missed it::. I wait with anticipation.

My only comment would be: Sly would you define your terms a bit? What do you mean best? Since you have something specific in mind.

 

Yes, Floyd Mayweather's four fights at lightweight against legends such as Castillo, Sosa, and Ndou ranks him with Duran . You fool.

 

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What does "best" mean? Best resume/wins, best textbook skill/technique, toughest fighter, most talent, best haircut, what?

Way too broad!

 

That's why I specified BEST and not necessarily "greatest". In a who beats who, it's Mayweather and Duran, IMO.

Where's your list, tough guy?

 

The only fight at lightweight Mayweather even remotely looked good in was against Ndou clown. Mayweather was never that impressive. Obviously you mentioning him has more to do with your man crush then anything.

 

hmmm..smells like an alias to me. Ima gonna check IPs.

 

I'm not an alias Sherlock. If I was I wouldn't have over 500 post up to this point.

 

Jones Jr. at middleweight is embarassing...embarassing.

MY LIST:

HW: Lewis, Tyson
Lt. Heavy: Spinks, Charles
MW: Hagler, Hopkins
WW: Hearns, Leonard
LW: Duran, Robinson
FW: Pacquiao, Sanchez

 

Heavy: Ali, Tyson
Cruiser: Holy, Toney
175: Spinks, Foster.
168: RJ, Toney.
160: Hopkins, Monzon
154: Hearns, McCallum.
147: Robinson, SRL.
140: Pryor, Benitez
135: Duran, Sweet Pea.
130: Floyd, Camacho
126: Sanchez, Saddler.

 

Heavy: Ali, Louis
Cruiser, Holyfield, Gomez
Light heavy: Foster, Charles
Super Middle: Calzaghe, Jones Jr
Middle: Monzon, Hopkins
Jr Middle: Hearns, McCallum/Norris
Welter: Robinson, Leonard
Jr Welter: Pryor, Benitez
Light: Duran, Armstrong
Jr Light: Arguello, Mayweather
Feather: Sanchez, Pep
Jr Feather: Gomez, Barrera
Bantam: Jofre, Olivares
Jr Bantam: Galaxy, Moon
Fly: Canto, Park
Jr Fly: Stupid division
Straw: Alvarez, Lopez

 

In terms of quality, how you gon rank Norris ahead of Jackson at 154, when Julian nearly killed him?

 

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Sly is the sharpest mod in the drawer.

 

That one fight. Norris beat everyone in that division when he came to power. Jackson didn't hang around long enough and was himself folded over by a fighter who was undoubtedly his superior.

 

McCallum woulda knocked Terry's ass out too though. Norris ACCOMPLISHED more at 154 than did Jackson, but Julian was better and IMO woulda startced every fighter Norris beat during his reign. Pains me to say it, but Tito stretches Norris as well.

 

Tito stretches a lot of elite fighters at 154 including Norris. Why would it pain you to say that?

 

Cause I was a fan of Norris.

 

Heavyweight: Louis, Holmes
Cruiserweight: Holyfield, De Leon
Light Heavy: Charles, Foster
Super Middle: Calzaghe, Jones
Middle: Monzon, Hagler
Jr. Middle: McCallum, Griffith
Welter: Robinson, Napoles
Jr. Welter: Prior, Pambele
Lightweight: Williams, Duran
Jr. Lightweight: Sadler, Elorde
Featherweight: Pepp, Sadler
Jr. Featherweight: Gomez, Morales
Bantamweight: Joffre, "Panama" Al Brown
Jr. Bantam: Penalosa, Tokuyama
Flyweight: Jimmy Wilde, Pascual Perez
Jr. Flyweights: Hilario Zapata, Chiquita Gonzalez
Minimum Weight: Lopez, Alvarez

 

It's a shame that fight didn't actually take place a decade ago.

 

Sounds good to me. I would have Chavez @ 130 and Hagler @ 160

 

heavy - ali, holmes
crusier - holyfield, gomez
light heavy - foster, stinks (never seen light heavy version of charles)
super middle - jones, calzaghe
middle - monzon, hopkins (never seen greb)
jr middle - mccallum, hearns
welter - leonard, hearns (never seen robinson at welter)
jr welter - pryor, tszyu
light - whitaker, duran
jr light - floyd, arguello
feather - saddler, sanchez
super bantam - gomez, morales
bantam - olivares, zarate (only seen jofre vs. harada)
jr bantam - galaxy, watanabe
flyweight - canto, too sharp
jr fly - chang, gonzalez
straw - lopez, kyowa

 

What fights at Lightweight did you thought Robinson looked his best?

 

Pretty strong list.

 

Were any of his fights at lightweight filmed?

The footage I've seen of him at welter is pretty grainy and short.

 

I'm measuring more on the tools he had and showed as a welter/middle, and the fact that nobody I can think of, has gotten significantly better as they moved up in weight. Robinson's body and skills at 135 would've made him devastating, and he did have some quality wins there.

 

It would've enhanced Trinidad's legacy for sure but unfortunately Norris wanted no part of Trinidad.

 

"Donny, you're out of your element." ::

 

pbf don't belong at 135. and he don't belong at 130 either.

130: Arguello and Chavez
135: Duran and Leonard

pbf is NOT an all-time great. not at 130. not at 135. not anywhere.