How many of you thought Vern would beat Mosley?

Looking at Vernon's style at the time, his height, reach, accuracy, good jab, right hand, uppercuts, good power and TIMING - I had a feeling he would beat Mosley.

For some reason I've never liked Forrest much, but he is a fucking good fighter. I still can't believe he lost to Mayorga, twice.

 

dsimon writes:

This is what drives me nuts. Mayorga used to have this explosive power and to me he looked really good. I thought he was chronically underestimated and then he totally bitched out and was actually Oscar's bitch before the actual fight. :dunno:

But Mayorga showed so much against Forrest.... I just don't get it because from a technical standpoint Forrest is as dangerous as Mayorga... especially based on the Mosley victories. I guess sometimes styles do make fights.

 

forrest shouldve gotten the decision in the mayorga rematch.

very few picked him over shane. he looked far from impressive vs frank and phillips

 

They certainly do.

What made you think Mayo was Oscar's bitch BEFORE the fight? I can't really remember the going's on pre fight, all I remember is Mayo looking pretty anxious on the night, then being surprised when he got dumped on his arse with 1 left hook in the 1st

 

To be honest my official pick was Shane, mainly just hoping, as I am a Mosley fan. I had a gut feeling Forrest would win. Picturing them fighting in my mind, somehow I just couldn't imagine Mosley winning, even though he had been by far the most impressive of the 2.

Styles really do make fights.

 

dsimon writes:

Up through the fight theatric you have Mayo talking shit, much like he is now. Then at the press conference I swear you can see his face totally change and he gets this scared bitch look. He looked that way up until the fight. He looked like Oscar had already dumped him. I even told lb4lb before the fight that Mayorga had already lost. It was palpable and obvious.

I actually think that Mayorga is the type of guy that talks shit but is easily spooked and probably would suck somoene's testicles as a prison bitch if he recieves a good beat down.

 

I remember him looking a bit more serious and concerned in the press conferences right near the fight, but at that point I didn't think he'd totally bitched out and lost.

What swung it for him? Why was he more intimidated by De La Love Songs than Tito?

 

I thought Mayorga clearly won the rematch. However if they had a third fight now, Forrest would probably stop him. Mayorga is a shadow of the fighter he was back then.

 

The ass whupping Tito put on him killed his confidence, and his chin. The Mayorga of 03 woulda given Oscar a tougher fight, although he would have still probably lost.

 

I thought Forrest won the rematch as well, though it was not an impressive performance.

 

dsimon writes:

He is an enigma to me Mex. And I will tell you why. I don't consider myself an expert but in the past I have always had pretty good judgement of a fighter's abilities. To my eyes Mayorga was severely underrated. Basically the guy was so explosive that every punch it looked like he wanted to kill you. I thought he was going to beat a path through the middle weight divisions.... Sort of like Pac man, as the purest puncher in the lower divisions.

To make a long story short it never looked right, in my estimation of him, when he was so totally outpsyched and exposed by De La Hoya.... it just never made sense to me. It still does not make sense to me except that most people here, many of whom knwo more about boxing than I do, seem to feel Mayorga always was a one dimensional brawler. To many people Oscar is such a good boxer that he simply did what was expected of him.

I am not one to fall back on the idea that it is a fix if I can't explain something... but it baffles me that Mayorga looked so beaten and did so poorley in the De La Hoya fight.

I have come to the conclusion that Mayorga does not train seriously and knew he was in over his head in the De La hoya fight. I just don't think he has the self discipline to keep it together. I honestly feel that at his best, when he is prepared he could be an elite guy. But the point is academic because he has not looked at that level now for some time. And when you loop your punches you have to be really good to get there first which is why Nando will probably handle him easily.

 

dsimon writes:

Thats the other possability (see post to Mex). As good as Mayorga ever was Tito hit straighter and better. And we saw what Tito did to Nando as well. But one can explain fairly easily why Mayorga could not beat Trinidad. Tito was not going to let Mayorga dictate (like Forrest did) and Tito's punches would land first. When Tito lands the other guy is going to feel it. With De La Hoya there was no apparent reason why Mayorga's style would make it an easy fight for Oscar.

 

I thought Shane would beat Vernon for sure.

 

Picked Vernon to beat Shane.

Mayorga has learned he can make decent money, talking crap, training less and serving as a punching bag for the name fighters. Apparently he likes it. In his prime, he was a very well conditioned athlete and what made him dangerous despite his crazy looping punches, was his handspeed. Mayorga has really fast hands.

 

I was one of the first on only fella to pick Vernon Forrest over Shane Mosley over at the ESPN Boxing Message board back in the day, I had to fend off the Mosley bandwagon single handedly as I wasn't for sure but amongst the smack thrown my way I defended, cats nobody here knows like pevenscrwn and woobase on my tail, after Forrest kicked Mosleys ass I felt vindicated and I didn't gloat and talk all kinds of shit, even after I heard one of these cats talkin shit about the headbutt in the 2nd round when it was a huge right hand that put Mosley on queer street

And much like any other obsessed bandwagon, only a few were there for their crow after the loss, others showed up days to weeks later still in denial and whatnot like pevenclown

 

I remember that night like it was yesterday. People who had seen Forrest's am victory over Mosley like C.Byrd and E.Steward were in Ring mag saying how Mosley would lose to Forrest 9 out of 10 times and was picking Forrest to win as was everyone else that saw that fight. I was scared shitless and after Mosley's pretty good first rd I tried to relax, but as soon as Shane got dropped with that vicious uppercut, I knew it was over. He showed great guts and skills by not only continuing but winning a few rds which started giving me hope that maybe he could come back and maybe still pull out a win. That is until the body punch heard round the world happened. After that I knew it was over.

One thing that would piss me off was Vernon's lack of a killer instinct. There were times I felt he could have really finished Shane off, but instead he would clinch or back off. As much as I wanted Shane to win, the stupidity of Forrests overcautiousness somehow upset me.

 

Agreed. Almost like he had too much respect for Shane and thought he'd get done if he cut loose. Maybe he would have. Shane was a beast at the time, top 3 p4p and looking a million dollars.

 

I think you got it backwards. In my estimation Mayorga was always overrated. If you look at all the fights he's had since the 6 heads fight, the 1st Forrest fight was the only one throughout his entire career where he looked like a complete beast. Even in the rematch, just one fight later he looked extremely limited. Every fighter has that one truely great performance that is borderline a fluke and for Mayorga that was the Forrest fight. People saw that and for the rest of Mayorga's career he was considered a top contender, and a devestating puncher. Never mind how limited he looked in the rematch or the Spinks fight or his 1st foray at 154lbs. Me? I knew from day one that he would get creamed by guys like Tito and Oscar.

 

I have never seen that am fight, have you? I'd like to get hold of it.

 

Me too, to an extent. I admit I always liked mayorga, he is amusing. But he stopped looking dangerous after the 6 heads and 1st forrest fight.

I never considered him an elite fighter, but I thought he'd give Oscar a much tougher fight than tito.

Mayo has balls, and chin, good power and fast hands. Although he is not highly skilled, his timing is not bad actually.

He's a vargas level fighter, a good fighter who shall always lose to the elite, only with strengths in different areas.

If Nando is not completely and utterly shot, it should be a good fight.

 

Not me.

Shane was always going to lose to a competant boxer, who maintained his boxing style. I called it.

 

you're a liar...you specifically picked shane to win only to later feign you knew shane would lose all along. if you really are a Christian, live up to it and tell the truth...YOU picked shane to win those fights. if you continue to lie then damn your soul...

 

Slystaff, you picked Mosley, phonetap is right.

 

I picked Vernon to win at first and then picked Shane to win by CONTROVERSIAL decision (with mst believing Vernon won).

So we're both right in a sense.

As for Phonetap and this "damn your soul" stuff!:: You take this Shane thing too personally.

 

I totally picked Shane to beat Forrest. TOTALLY. Forrest was slow, plodding, and ripe to get rings boxed around him by Shane. Shane was going to hit him so many times, Forrest thought he'd be fighting THREE Shanes!!! I gave Forrest the benefit of the doubt and said he might make it to a decision.

Shane all the way. I thought he'd MASH Forrest.

How wrong I was! ::

 

:nono: ...you picked shane BOTH times...don't act like phonetap wasn't calling you on your bullshit after BOTH fights.

 

Slystaff, I distinctly remember you saying that Shane would win, and you even spelled out the reasons why.

The only person who picked Forrest on the old board was Everlast if I recall correctly.

 

And for the record, I thought Shane won the rematch. ::

JESUS, that uppercut that Forrest landed almost ripped Shane's head clean off. Shane must have neck muscles like a Brahma Bull to eat that kind of uppercut and keep going! :eeeek:

 

Wrong! EVERYONE on S/O was against me for i was the only one who said that Vernon would be giving Shane fits..on account of Shane being a limited speedy slugger.

Don't go backing this Kenneth character just because you wanna get back into his "good books". :nono:

 

What the fuck?

I LAST MUNITE picked Shane by controversial decison and OUTRIGHT picked Vernon to win the rematch. You are talking out of your ass! :flip: