Rafael Marquez vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

who is better?

Alabama Man is not allowed to vote. :crafty:

 

Rafael is better/greater.

However if they fought in a p4p sense, Juan would win by comfortable decision.

 

I feel the same way, JMM is considerably more talented, but Rafael might go down as a greaterr fighter.

 

rafael is a better fighter at this point. he also has more signficant wins.

 

Rafael Marquez is BETTER,More ACCOMPLISHED & YOUNGER than Juan Manuel...

Raffy Hits HARDER,is Better Offensively & has Beaten BETTER Opposition...Juan Manuel is More Technically Sound as a "Boxer" & has Better Defense...

Neither of them have the Most Reliable Chins N the World...

The Largest Gap btwn the Brothers is N the POWER Department...Juan Manuel is a Pretty Good Puncher,but Raffy's a LIGHTS OUT Puncher...



REED

 

I voted for Yawn Queerquez. He gives the better head and handjobs. opcorn:

 

:eeeek: :notallthere:

 

Might my ass,he will go down the greater fighter.

 

what if Vasquez knock him out, and JMM goes on to defeat Pacquiao?

 

edit.

 

That's a stretch at this point,not to say that isn't possibl buuut

 

Then ArturoGatti should pinch himself because he's dreaming.

 

He already won 8 rounds against Pacquiao, all he has to do is not get knocked down 3 times again.

I will bet you a $1,000 that JMM beats Pacquiao when/if they fight again.

 

Why not make it $10,000? :dunno:

 

Marquez won six at the most.

 

Because we both know that you don't have that kind of money, so what's the point?


BTG, He won 6-8 rounds, if anyone won more than 6 rounds, it was JMM.

 

I knew you would duck me. Your boy Fagquez is going down, and not in the way he usually does where he likes it.

 

Marquez won 5 rounds. People horrendously overrate his performance.

He did well, especially after the first round, and he did make Pacman look 1 dimensional, but Pacman was still pressing the fight, scoring points, and landing the better punches for most of the rounds.

 

You're out of your mind dude, there's no frickin way Marquez only won 5 rounds. That's as ludricous as saying Marquez won all the rounds after the 1st.

 

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Yeah, I ducked you.

you pulled the oldest move in the book, raise the bet to an unrealistic ammount, and then blame the other guy.

 

Score the fight, come back and tell me what rounds marquez won. He only outlanded pacman in 5 rounds, I have scored the fight twice.

 

REED is More Objective than Most,as it Pertains to the Manny Pac-Marquez Bout...

On 1 Hand,Manny COULD have Been Awarded a 1st Round KO,but U Gotta Give Marquez Credit for WEATHERING Quite Possibly THE WORST 1st Round U Could Imagine w/Out LOSING a Fight...

What we DO Know is, if ALL of the Judges had Given Manny a 10-6 Round N round 1,he WOULD Have WON the Fight...This is an even BIGGER Story than How Well Marquez REGROUPED...

AND,Juan Manuel Marquez Wanted NO PARTS of an Immediate RE w/Manny Pac:nono: ...This is a BITTER Pill for Marquez Fans to SWALLOW...

Personally,REED Scored it a DRAW...Marquez CLEARLY Won More Rounds,but Manny's 1st Round was Sooooooooooooooooo DOMINANT,he Got Extra Points for it...

REED had Manny Winning Rounds 1,2,7 & 10 CLEARLY...Round 7 was TOUGH to Score,but REED Gave the Knod to Manny Pac...

REED had Marquez Winning Rounds 3,4,5,6,8,9 & 11 CLEARLY...

REED Scored Round 12 EVENLY...

VERY Difficult Fight to Score,Cause the ENTIRE Time,U're WAITING on Manny to EXPLODE on Marquez Again,which Makes U IGNORE the More SUBTLE Things Marquez was Doing to WIN Rounds...

Again,Marquez DEPRIVED Boxing Fans of an Immediate RE...& His UNwillingness to IMMEDIATELY Fight Manny Pac Again Only BOLSTERED the Impression that Marquez LOST the 1st Fight...



REED

 

1st of all, you know bringing up compubox punchstats to support scoring is a dubious tactic, at best. 2nd, I'm not sure I still have the fight but if I have it I'll watch it and come up with my card. Don't hold your breath though, I disagree with you but not enough to argue about it endlessly, too much subjectivity involved.

 

Baron what the FUCK are you talking about? Who mentioned compubox? I have absolutely no idea what the compubox numbers are for that fight ::

 

So how do you know that he outlanded Pac in 5 rounds? Did you count every punch? :eeeek:

 

Then how do you know that Manny outland Marquez in 7 rounds? You told me "He only outlanded pacman in 5 rounds", you counted every punches and rated their effectiveness?

 

I did my best to count every meaningful punch in my head, each round. Including good, clean jabs by Marquez.

The rounds where the punches were about even, but pacman was using effective aggression and controlling the pace, I gave the round to pacman.

Rounds where marquez had the edge in punches, and pacman was not being aggressive effectively, I gave the round to marquez.

 

Based on rounds it was an even fight for me. I gave each guy 6 rounds a piece. People underrated the body punching and head punches Manny was landing because Marquez wasn't falling on the ground with his legs spread in the air like a horny queer anymore.

But because I scored the first round 10-6, it was a wide points win for Pacman on my scorecard.

 

What about rounds about even in punch output where Marquez controlled the pace? Reading your post it seems you gave every close round to Manny because of his effective aggression (In other words because his punches are harder). After the 2nd round, Marquez dictated the pace even though Pacquiao won some rounds. I'm surprised you bring up that Pac controlled the pace of the fight, I think he controlled the pace of the first 2 rounds, after that, Marquez did.

 

Although he was made to look a little limited and predictable in the fight, people simply underrate how many punches pacman landed, jabs and straight lefts were landing frequently, plus good body punches.