THEY DID IT! HATTON-MAYWEATHER SIGNED THE CONTRACTS.

I rest my case. Diego was undefeated and considered at least as dangerous as Hatton..

Oscar had a few losses, a KO loss to Hopkins, and a convincing loss to Mosley.

Undefeated records mean squat, all things considered.

 

I didn't say Hatton was going to beat him, I said he'll reach his target quicker and more frequently than Cotto, wether that be with shots or with the clinch, Hatton will be able to touch him more, based primarily on his footspeed, unrelenting and undeterrable aggresion, and his notorious behavioural deficiencies,.. Hatton's stink may very well contradict Fraud's stink, and turn this fight into a 30 minute slop. Tszyu's timing and accuracey was world class aswell, but he still couldn't find a way to pry himself from the vice-like grip of the tarbaby, or back the flying hug up.

 

Cotto has a similar style than Castillo and he did well against Mayweather...:dunno: while Hatton is more like Jesus Chavez..who threw alot of punches and touch Mayweather...but didn't win more than 1 or 2 rounds...

 

yes. fresher at the respective points in their careers

 

Fresher doesn't mean better. Not only that, but is hatton that fresh now? His recent wrestling style is recent, and he has arguably lost a step or 2.

And barrera was better when he fought pacman than when he lost to Jones as someone pointed out, he was regarded top 3 then, and considered a more complete, polished fighter.

In the same way that Duran in the late 70's was not as "fresh" as the title winning Duran, but a fucking lot better and more complete.

 

his wrestling style is not recent and it's due entirely to Hatton's improved competition. he was wrestling his way to decision wins as long ago as the Tackie fight. and even against Phillips he did considerable holding. don't pretend he's only recently started with this shit. it's just he's been fighting better fighters the last 2-3 years, and not knocking them out for the most part.

anyways, past it or not, he's hardly as good as Barrera. and it's not even a valid point anyways because everyone knows Barrera was a better fighter later in his career than he was early on. and that's when Morales fought him.

 

Whoops, I think that's a bit of a loose post my son,....:nono: concerntrate.

 

He mostly boxed Tackie. He used to grapple in close a bit, but nothing that extreme compared to the average in fighter.

His grappling is a recent change. Shit, have you even seen the TSzyu fight? TSzyu is the best win of his career, and he didn't grapple much in that fight, nowhere near as much as Collazo, Urango etc, not even as much as Castillo.

 

I thought Hatton grappled a ridiculous amount in the Tszyu fight. Hell, thats the fight that showed his tactics to the world, IMO.

 

N'dou average 80 or 90 punches a round before his Mayweather fight....then Floyd turn him inside out....

So Hatton will touch Mayweather alot more...Punch or Clinches..I SAY clinches..he is not going to win by clinching..Cotto will punch..punch..and punch some more....Hatton will jump in with a right hand, then clinch...left hook then clinch..but the punches won't be landing, but the clinches will be tight.

 

I haven;t seen the fight since.... a short while after it happened. I don't remember him grappling anywhere near as much as his last 3 fights.

 

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You rest what case?

My point IS that when all things are considered Hatton's current record and proven ability is considerably better than was the case with Corrales.

Hatton is not JUST an unbeaten fightr, he's an unbeaten fighter that has been a pretty dominant champion and has stopped two solid fighters in Kostya Tszyu and Castillo.

 

barrera and especially morales had already engaged in a few life shortening battles prior to facing pacquaio. I also know for a fact that barrera had a terrible camp for that fight and was not 100% for that one. not to mention pacquaio lost to morales the first time.

 

Hatton clinches against fellow pugnacious opponents who won't give up any ground, Mayweather on the other hand, gives up ground willingly,..and Hatton doesn't just clinch, he "holds his opponent still" to get a good shot at his guts, he also smothers, mauls, wrestles and indulges in illegal tactics,..simultaneously Fraud will be palming the head and flicking the elbow, and ramming his forearm into Hatton's throat,..it's going to be a filth fest between two of the dirtiest rule exploiting cunts in boxing. I don't like either of them, if it wasn't for YOU:stir: ..I'd cheer for Cotto against them.

 

Dominant in what sense?

The Tszyu fight was his first real title fight, as far as I know.

So beating Tszyu, Maussa and Urango at 140 makes him dominant?

BTW, I'd consider both Tszyu and Castillo much more than solid, but it's laughable to use Castillo to win points in an argument where "all things are considered".

 

Neil could I ask you where you currently rank Hatton, P4P?

 

I don't get into pound for pound.

 

OK, well let's put it this way, Barrera was top 3 in a lot of lists when he was bludgeoned by Pacman. Almost always top 5 at least.

He had beaten Hamed, Morales, Tapia and Kelly almost in a row, and looked to be in his prime and a more advanced fighter than the young barrera.

Hatton right now is not considered top 3. He is not usually in the top 5 either, usually top 10.

The MAB fight was also Pacman's first at 126, he moved up to face barrera.

Hatton is going to be moving up to face floyd.

Even if Floyd stops hatton, it's not as impressive a win as Pacman moving up and brutalizing barrera as a 4-1 underdog.

 

Pacquiao has moved up to fight all of his Marquee opponents besides Ledwaba (he still took the fight on 2 weeks notice) in the featherweight divisions.

He moved up to fuck up MAB (P4P#3) and in his 2nd fight at the weight class he went right for stalwart Fagquez in a war. A guy Hamed ducked for 2 years.

He also moved up to fight Morales the first time. Pacquiao will fight anyone, anytime, and MOVE UP to their weight class to try and kick their ass.

Comparing Floyd-Hatton to Pacquiao-Barrera is ridiculous because Floyd is supposed to SHIT all over Hatton, Collazo did it and he was a fringe titlist. Barrera was the P4P #3 guy at the time and was a 3-1, 4-1 favorite in some places. The lines for Floyd-Hatton will probably be around 3-1, 2-1 in favor of Floyd. Totally different situation between the two fights.

If Floyd losses this fight, I have a feeling a lot of his nuthuggers are going to disappear (Neil, miKE, etc).

 

That's the crux of it, Floyd is going to be a clear favourite over Hatton, and Pacman was a FOUR to ONE underdog against Barrera, and in his first fight at featherweight at that.

It's simply absurd to suggest that Hatton would be as big a win as Barrera for Pacman.

 

If Floyd losses this fight, his entire career above 135 will be put into question. He no longer has the Baldomir or Gatti crutch because those guys were destroyed not long after Floyd faught them by seemingly inferior fighters.

The Floyd nuthuggers are going to be on the edge of their seats for this one. ::

 

odds don't mean shit in this scenario. all that proves is that mayweather is more highly regarded (rightfully so) than pacquaio was then. the barrera fight was great for pacquaio. but to me barrera was coming off a loss in the rematch to morales so he wasn't the best fighter at the time around those weight classes. add to the fact that barrera had a shitty camp and he got destroyed. I'm not saying he was going to win. but it couldve been less one sided.

hatton hasn't been in any career altering wars yet. barrera had been in a few for the ages. morales had been in more than a few and he still beat pacquaio once and was also ahead for some of the rematch. to me hatton right now is clearly the fresher fighter and will be mayweathers best career win to date.

 

What about the DLH crutch ?? That one is hard to ignore...

 

Yeah, a mid-30s guy who fights 2 times in 3 years. Very hard to ignore as well.

 

That's because Pacquiao was a nobody then and Mayweather is widely recognized as the best fighter in the world and has been for a few years.

Barrera is a greater fighter so I think Manny streamrolling him is greater than a potential Mayweather win over Hatton but it'll still be a great feat, not to mention that Floyd has a lot more work overall.

 

Fantastic that this fight has been made! :bears::bears::bears:

Sig bet is ON and you know you won't get any of that crap from me.

Seriously, I hope this thread gets saved somewhere because one way or another, guys are going to be eating their words over this fight.

 

witters style is actually worse for hatton because he has one punch power as well as trickery and slipperyness.

 

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and shit stamina after 6 rounds......if you get tired with Hatton..you are FUCKED.

 

I don't deny that, if Floyd beats Hatton impressively (not baldomir style) he deserves a lot of credit, Hatton is a dangerous fighter with the right style to trouble floyd.

Simply, it still wouldn't be as impressive as pacman demolishing barrera in his first fight at 126.