Margarito/Judah possible by the end os the year, Thoughts?

dsimon writes:

:bears: :bears: Could not have said it better myself.

As though Judah ever thinks about anything he says or does.

Margarito style wise has the ability to really hurt the spaz, just like Cotto.

 

dsimon writes:

Gatti there is in fact no reason to assume that Margarito is better than Baldimore at this point. Forrest is a damn good fighter.

 

Margarito is taller and rangier, more heavy-handed, more active with his hands, and quicker (or more accurately, less slow) than Baldomir.

Baldomir doesn't wing wide shots as much as Margarito, and MAY be tougher (both guys are very tough), but I'm not really sure what other advantages he has.

 

the idea that Baldomir is anywhere close to being as big a threat as Margarito is ridiculous. and the only people desperate enough to make such a case are Floyd groupies trying to belittle the significance of PBF's refusal to face Margarito. Margarito would chop Baldomir up like a meat clever, and though it might go the distance, he'd probably win every round.

 

Margarito would knock Judah out. People need to forget about Zab Judah already.

 

Shit fucken fight, complete waste of time, and I'm not even gunna talk about it.

 

dsimon writes:

Based on what? Because Double L thinks it? Since you want to characterize people with common sense as all being Floyd groupies lets characterize you for a moment. Better yet lets compare:

1) Double L predictions: wrong 90% of the time

2) Baldimore versus Margarito: Two guys slow of foot with good basic punching (the edge to Margarito) similar experience (the edge to Baldimore due to superior comp). Similar Ko percentages. Both guys lost last fight one guy to a prospect with quick hands, one guy to a guy who beat Mosley twice and arguably Quartey once (decision sucked).

 

dsimon writes:

Its really not a question of advantages Erratic it is a question of why people presume Margarito is superior to Baldimore without a fight between the two.

Idiots like Double L who claim that people make the comparison between Baldimore and Margarito to justify why Floyd should not fight Margarito turn around and do the same thing... justify why Margarito is out of Baldimore's league, with no rational explanation.

Fact: Both guys lost their last fight. One guy lost to a prospect largely unproven, one guy lost to an elite guy who has beaten some of the best fighters.

Fact: Mrgarito has priced himself out of the mix before.... Lets use Floyd logic, if he is so much better than Baldimore prove it and fight him.

 

Seriously, we're supposed to believe that Margarito is better than Baldomir, because Double L said so :laughing: :laughing: Why doesn't he prove it in the ring, then? At least Baldomir had balls to face PBF in the ring (and Double L picked him to beat PBF).....Margarito had balls to fight.....ummmm......well......he didn't really fight anyone, except Williams.....

 

I don't see why this is such a bad fight.

Judah may not be considered one of the top welterweights right now, but he didn't make a fool of himself against Cotto. He needs the money, and he has shown (unlike MANY of the fighters that are discussed in these threads) that he's willing to take the short end of the stick to get paid.

Margarito (more accurately, ARUM) knows a "straw man" that would make a good case for Margarito to face a guy like Cotto/Mosley/ PBF-Hatton winner when he sees him.

I think that Margarito stops him late, in a relatively competitive contest, similar to that of Cotto-Judah.

 

dsimon writes:

Honestly Doc the problem really is that the fight does not benefitt Margarito. Judah is a good professional opponent for guys coming up... the opposite direction. Even though Margarito lost his last fight his best bet IMO is to make the assumption that Williams is pretty damn good (a reasonable assumption) and to accordingly get a fight against Cotto, Hatton, or Mosley.... hell maybe even Vernon Forrest... why not?

 

i never disputed this.:dunno:

 

Excellent. Can I have you on the record stating "Baldomir is more accomplished fighter than Margarito"?

 

That's a good idea but Cotto and Mosley are fighting each other, Hatton is fighting Floyd. Forrest isn't even in the division although I'd love to see that fight. Viper wouldn't have the same physical advantages over Margarito that he did over Baldomir.

If anything, why the f*ck is Zab taking this fight? Does he wanna die in the ring? Mayweather broke him down, Cotto chopped him up and Margarito is gonna tear him to shreds. No way this one goes the distance - absolutely wrong fight for Zab. Poor guy is gonna look like an alien again following this one.

 

What other direction can he go? Zab is at the point where he is susceptible to getting beat by the second-tier opposition he once destroyed with ease several times...actually he still hasn't shown that he can handle THOSE guys on a regular basis anymore (Baldomir in which he lost, and an interim fight with no true ending) while getting beat by the upper tier guys.

A win over guys on a lower level than Margarito gives Zab the confidence...to lose again when he steps up like always.

Nah, I'd rather have the humbled Zab around to give a true effort for one more big fight and lose, instead of a pumped up Zab off a blowout easy win who is cocky and half-assing everything to a loss in a big fight. That may be selfish on my part, but I think the risk-benefit ratio favors this fight.

...Unless he can make 140. No mention of that so far :dunno: then he can try to pick off a belt or two, since Hatton is temporarily out of the picture.

Random thought: Imagine Zab slipping punches forever against Paul Williams. I think we'd actually see Zab have a temper tantrum in the ring :cheer:

 

dsimon writes;

LOL. :: Thats true.

 

Margarito's a "Top Level Fighter" ???


REED:dunno:

 

As Such,Please DON'T Come on the Site Thumping your Chest if Margarito Wins...


REED:nono:

 

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REED:clap:

 

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Zab's TALENT is GENUINE...TALENT is God Given Abilities & Zab has a PLETHORA of those...He's 1 of the More NATURALLY Talented Fighters EVER...

It's his SKILLS that R Overrated...

Zab is Living Proof that Talent ALONE Can't Lead U to GREATNESS...


REED

 

U Could just As Easily Ponder what Would have Happened had the Kostya-Zab Fight Been Allowed to CONTINUE....


REED

 

REEDing this Post,it's Almost as if YOU DIDN'T Pick Baldomir to BEAT Floyd...

But Unfortunately YOU DID....


REED::

 

:: @ REED, 7 posts in a row.

I agree that Zab has plenty of talent.

 

dsimon writes:

This post is a gem. It describes the situation with Judah to a "T" :bears:

 

yes i did. having clearly stated that i was doing so for moral support. we've been through this shit before. you have no argument.

also, what will you say when mediocre margarito beats the hell out of Judah? what will it mean for PBF's win over Judah?

will you be able to accept that the only meaningful win PBF has had since moving up from 135 is ODH?

PBF will have had one decent win in 5 years.

 

did he really win against ODLH? ODLH was the one moving forward in that fight, and landing clear punches.

 

dsimon writes:

If Reed needs something to say he should surely be able to borrow a phraseology or two from the master. "moral support":: thats a good one. Reed might well say "I was clearly picking Judah for moral support." Or maybe he could use the ole double L double S (double standard).... whereby Margarito is allowed to be obviously superior to Baldimore based on...? when Floyd is ducking the great Antonio when there is empirical evidence to support that he is a class above Margarito. That would be a good trick to borrow from master double standard double L. opcorn:

 

A class above Margarito?

Why, because he beat a fighter even you claim is now "a good professional opponent for guys coming up... the opposite direction"?

 

Bob Arum is certainly milking Zab's status as the most overrated fighter in boxing, he's squeezin' and squeezin' the juice out of him..

If I were Margarito I'd take a Williams or Cintron rematch, he should get back into the mix, this fight is embarrasing, It might be good enough for Cotto but I'm hoping the Margarito camp know better, I really hope a technicality derails this shit, he doesn't need a tune-up,..

Unlike Fraud fans, I'm not going to try and desperately excuse this pathetic matchup.