Once and for all was Hopkins-DLH fixed?

haha i don't get what they get from it been fixed?
- ODLH doesn't need cash so been part of betting ring doesn't make sense
- G would be a sucess whether Hopkins was on board or not, it would have made more sense if Hopkins had thrown the fight then a few weeks later announcing he has become a part of it. Meaning Hopkins gets more out of been a part of G than the other way around imo.

I remember watching the fight and when it was over thinking ODLH you pussy!

The fact is body shots can take the best out even if it is not full force, when the wind is taken out of you 10 seconds ain't enough to drag your ass off the canvas. Also ODLH didn't have the hunger so maybe he could have got up and dug deep to try get the win but thought - fuck it! He probably realised he was not going to beat Hopkins so rather than hang around for few more rounds and potentially get hurt he quit at an ideal opportunity.

No way a fix but maybe ODLH just took an easy way out.

 

I just never thought this one was "fixed"

I think DLH is older and still smaller.. he got hit by a true middleweight with a body shot that he couldn't handle.

 

Definitely something strange with DLH-Hopkins but I don't know if it was a fix :dunno:

But if you feel that way, what are your thoughts on Oscar promoting Floyd all of a sudden and the very likelyhood of Mayweather-DLH II? Seems pretty shady as well.

 

REED'll RESERVE Judgement on Dela Promoting Floyd UNTIL a DeLa-Floyd RE Happens...

REED has ZERO Interest N a RE & would HOPE that MAINSTREAM Fans DON'T wanna See it Either...

But if,If,IF it Happens,that Lends TONS of CREDENCE to the Idea that there was a "Plan" All Along...


REED

 

I never knew it was broken

 

Funny to see this thread pop up after watching Penalosa-Gonzalez this weekend. I thought the shot that KO'd Gonzalez looked a lot like the one that got Oscar. The camera had a better angle on it though, but it did not look like some of the better body shot KOs we've seen (Jones-Hill and Gatti-Doran come to mind).

 

Maybe on Planet Roy, not in the real world.

 

they say a picture is worth how many words ???

http://www.boxeo-boxing.com/images/de-la-hoya-hopkins.jpg

 

Of course the fight was fixed.

In the years since Oscar's debilitating KO...every guy we've seen hit with that shot has behaved exactly as you should. Oscar clearly took a dive.

 

huh?

 

Correction:

Oscar quit, but the fight wasn't fixed.

 

so there's no way the body-shot was legit? you're expert enough to make that claim? yeah. ODH doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. it's not like he's ever proven his meddle in the ring or anything.

 

Did he STUTTER??


REED:dunno:

 

The muthafucker quit, plain and simple. He didn't want to be legitimately knocked out, which was going to happen if he continued and so he tok the opportunity to not get up. The punch probably hurt, but if it was a fight that he knew he had a chance to win, he would have gotten up.

 

no. but he failed to make sense. at least to me.

 

how do you know? Jhonny didn't get up. Dorin didn't get up. Castillo didn't get up. Hill didn't get up. you see a pattern here Einstein? liver shots end fights.

apparently, liver shots are legit fight stoppers for all but ODH.

in fact, it's rare that you see a guy survive a liver shot. Gatti did. but i'm hard pressed to think of others.

 

The problem is that you don't think clearly where De La Hoya is concerned. For once, picture him with all of his clothes on and in the ring boxing instead of imagining him taking a shower or creaming his legs. ::

 

:doh:

that's not true. i've been plenty critical of ODH when the situation warrants it. what i won't do is doubt his competitiveness and will to win.

 

I was skeptical of the KO after seeing it a week later.

Two weeks after the fight, Oscar and Bernard announced they'd be "business" partners.

As far as I'm concerned, their first business transaction occurred the second Oscar decided to pound the canvas.

The fight was fixed.

 

Round 5, a nice left uppercut.

 

I don't believe the theories about the fight being pre-determined. They both went out and tried to win.

Now as for Oscar quitting, that's a possibility. We've all seen fighters, later in their careers and after achieving a lot, quit in fights when they simply knew they couldn't win. That may have been the case here. The reason it seemed so strange was because of how the punch didn't seem hard and Oscar's reaction. Out of all the body shot stoppages in boxing, have you ever seen any that both:

1) looked so light?
2) had the guy on the ground rolling on the canvas, rather than simply FREEZING IN PAIN?

Oscar may have simply done his own "no mas", but I don't believe all those pre-determined outcome theories.

 

I thought the same thing after the fight. You just knew that their next fight would involve doing business with one another - even with (or should I say, especially with) Oscar talking all that shit about Floyd (spoiled brat, etc), and Floyd claiming he was retired and that he'd never again do business with Oscar.

I'd honestly believe the tempo of PBF-DLH was predetermined more so than the outcome of Hopkins-DLH. I still think something shady went down in the Hopkins fight, but the more i think on it, if Oscar were to fix a fight where he's already the underdog, then he'd fix it in his favor. But what I did get out of that 2-fight series, is that both went out of their way to make Arum look foolish, before pulling their rip-and-run.

 

Knowing that Oscar received a one fight option on PBF if PBF won, makes the conspiracy theory a little less likely to believe. Not to mention, Hatton is allegedly talking to Golden Boy therefore Oscar's hands are in the pot two times.

If I'm Shane Mosley (who like MAB is the only partner truly interested in making decent fights) I'd be skeptical of Golden Boy. It's no secret that Mosley turned down the Mayweather match as to not upset the gravy train DLH-PBF became.

Between the four partners, it seems like only MAB and Mosley are interested in actually FIGHTING young and hungry fighters. Hopkins was content to do as little as possible against Jermain to later bitch about getting robbed and run out the clock and hold against Tarver and Wink.

The most surprising aspect of their arrangement is how long Hopkins has managed to NOT sue or complain about Golden Boy.

For an outfit which boasted the desire to change boxing, they're the leading candidate for everything that's wrong with boxing these days.

 

but... but... but they just gave us the Boxing World Cup!

 

blah blah blah.....


Oscar and Hopkins could have become business partners even if they didn't fight each other or even if Oscar won. But, apart from that, bernard was always going to win that fight so Oscar didn't need to throw shit!

What's with these silly conspiracy theories that it was a predetermined hoax just so that they can become business partners? It's obvious that Oscar tried to win the fight and when Bernard stepped it up, he quit.

That's it, that's all.

 

I saw two guys throwing pawing jabs for 7 rounds, Hopkins threw a few meaningful punches in the 8th, then Nazim Richardson set the table for the predicatable outcome in the 9th...

You CLEARLY hear him saying, "body shot, body shot, oh my God...body shot!"

Shortly thereafter, Hopkins throws to the body and Oscar goes down.

Check the tape...it's as solid as the Zapuder film! Nazim called out instructions to BOTH guys. Hopkins threw, Oscar fell down.

Manny Steward was funny because he was certain the shot wasn't enough to put him down, then he must have realized what he was saying because he finally said, "oh well, you never know." :dunno:

::

 

The way Bernard reacted the moment Oscar went down with GLEE mixed with surprise but also he made sure to indicate to the ref (in a split second) that it was a good punch and not a foul...showed me that it certainly wasn't a fix in Bernard's mind.

Oscar, however, quit...after trying to win, because he knew that he was in over his head. It was kinda like how Herbie Hide quit against Riddick bowe when he realized, that as soon as Bowe stepped it up a little, that he had NO HOPE of winning.

 

Richardson says "body shot, body shot" quite a bit during Hopkins's fights anyway.

If there was a Marcellus Wallace type "you go down in the 9th" order I would think they'd be a little smarter and slicker about it than to give clues on camera to millions of viewers.

 

With some of the fishy scorecards during G cards (especially the JMM-MAB card), I have a feeling Mayweather better win by a wide margin or else Hatton gets a gift.

 

i think the degree to which PBF willingly threw punches at ODH's gloves all night seemed kind of suspicious.

thing is, when you're talking about a phenom like ODH, a guy who is a huge draw whether he wins or not, it does create the conditions in which something other than both fighters trying their hardest to win might make the most sense from both point of views.

in general, you can count on both fighters wanting to win - and the idea that each fighter's best case scenario is to have won.

but when you have a guy like ODH, who has his own promotional out-fit, and whose every opponent who's ever beaten him has become a star in his own right, and who remains popular whether he wins or not, it does make you wonder.