Why Felix Trinidad getting so much hate?

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Ok...I was being waaaay too harsh against Roy Jones for his performance against Tarver. He's still one of my top 3 fighters of all time.

Can I get my job back as President of the Roy Jones bandwagon? :dunno:

 

Nobody hates Tito. And if he is getting hate, its probably just backlash for the years when he was the most nut hugged fighter on all the boxing forums. The way ppl hate on the Floyd, and Roy groupies, well back in the S/O days, pre-Hopkins, the Tito groupies were ALOT worse! They were the blindest groupies in history!

 

I agree. Other than being a Nard fan, that's the reason I was so glad he got his ass kicking against Nard. Trinidad fans were just ridiculous, the blindest huggers around. It seems as though some of them still are. They worship Tito, they still haven't come to terms with the fact he lost.

 

trinidad would have a good shot at beating any welter-weight in history, except maybe SRR. at that weight, his power and strength, and resilience were extraordinary.

 

Leonard wipes his ass with Tito at 147, and Hearns gives him the Cuevas treatment.

 

Tito COULD HAVE beaten Hearns though. Hearns wasn't the toughest fittest Welterweight and Tito carried serious fight ending power all the way to the end of the fight.

I agree with Leonard "wiping his ass" with Tito.

 

wipes his ass with him? so you're saying Tito doesn't have a shot at beating SRL?

 

Yes thats exactly what I'm saying. Tito wouldnt have a shot in hell at beating Leonard. Ray knocks his ass out after completely outboxing him. Tito would have a good chance at beating MOST welterweights in history, but against Leonard, and Hearns he's in way over his head! Hell, I'm not even sure Tito coulda beaten his countryman Benitez.

 

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I HATE Leonard, but he was a fucknig amazing fighter.

He would wipe his arse with Tito that's exactly right. Plodding robot, big left hook tito wouldn't be able to do anything with leonard, at all.

Go and watch Tito against Oscar then ponder about how well he'd do against a much better version of oscar with quicker hands and feet.

 

shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence

 

SRL has faster feet than ODH? not so sure about that. there's little any boxer could do to improve on ODH's performance in those first 9 rounds. and Tito still won the fight.

who do you think was more comfortable in that fight, from round to round. ODH or Tito. Tito was. and he landed the harder shots. and chased ODH out of the ring.

SRL would certainly be the favorite to win. And you can say Tito never faced anyone as good as SRL at 147, where he was undefreated. But honestly, SRL never faced anyone quite like Tito either.

and let's not over-look SRL's loss to Duran. just because Duran quit in the rematch doesn't mean he didn't succeed in pressuring SRL to a convincing decision. not saying Tito could do that, but the idea that SRL is unbeatable at 147 is false.

 

step away from the stupid pipe please, srl footwork wasnt better and faster than dlh?

 

hmm did you see the winky or hops fight?​

 

:: :: Fuck me man, I never realized what an Oscar groupie you were until now.

Footspeed between the 2 is not even comparable. Leonard was extremely quick and light on his feet. Oscar recently has SLOW feet, against Mayo, Floyd etc, in his prime obviously faster but his feet were never particularly quick, nor his footwork that brilliant. They look fast compared to a plodding robot like Tito, but then so do most people's.

Duran was a pressure fighter, the best pressure fighter ever at that. Just an intelligent, fast, agile pressure machine with amazing stamina and great at cutting off the ring.

Tito is not a pressure fighter, he is a patient stalker puncher like Corrales, and when presented with movement and angles he gets utterly befuddled. Just look at the Oscar, Nard and Winky fights.

Tito would stand no chance, none whatsoever.

And by the way, I think Leonard is a scumbag, I am a duran man through and through, I don't even particularly like Leonard's style, but he was in another league to trinidad. And especially, Trinidad doesn't have the style to trouble leonard at all.

 

Perhaps you should rephrase this as "Trinidad's punches to the balls were his greatest asset."

 

Request DENIED Kenneth Lay...

REED just got a promotion.

 

lenoard beat, tommy, roberto, and marvin. but we dont know if he can deal with the great tito::

 

Duran had much quicker feet, and was lightyears better definsively than Tito. Tito would never be able to cut off the ring on Leonard, and Ray would be getting off combinations at will. And of COURSE Leonard had better footwork than Oscar, its not even debatable. There isnt a single thing Oscar did better than Leonard expect maybe jab, and Ray's jab wasnt too shabby. Tito would have no hope. Leonard wouldnt tire either, he had some of the best stamina in history. Its a styistic mismatch in favor of Ray. Tito wouldnt even last the distance, let alone win.

 

Don't forget Benitez.

 

I'm not sure Tito beats Donald Curry, nevermind Ray Leonard. Tito-Curry is a pick em.

 

dsimon writes:

Exactly. :clap:

Also you can be a fan of a guy and not want him to fight anymore. I feel this way about Hopkins. He will always be one of my favorites but frankly there is nobody I care to see him fight. If he really was at his best Calzighe would be a great fight but I don't see him wanting to risk it anymore so I worry that his legacy would be tarnished in that fight. The Hopkins of a couple of years ago would IMO savage Joe, beating him to the body and making him pay for everything he lands, but Hops does not fight that way anymore... I wish him well but have no interest in his fights.

 

dsimon writes:

The sense I get is that in the third fight Roy went in there on a mission: Not to get KTFO.... period. It wasn't about him winning the fight, or pressing the action, it was about him saving face. Roy had wanted a glorified sparring match (like Mayweather and De La Hoya) and thought he deserved that respect from Tarver and Tarver really went after him. So Roy got his sparring match the third fight. The first fight was also a glorified sparring match.

 

Agreed about Hopkins. Sloppy Joe would beat the current Hopkins, but wouldnt stand a prayer against the Hopkins of 6-7 years ago. The Hopkins of 6 years woulda never "lost" to Taylor either.

 

You think Roy expected Tarver to give hima glorified sparring session? The first fight too? Magic Man forgot to stick to the script? Me thinks your arm's are falling off - don't reach too hard.

Could it just be that Tarver's size and style offsets Jones' offense or do you think two out of their three bouts were supposed to be some glorified sparring sessions? :doh:

 

I disagree with your comments about the first Tarver fight, but the third I agree with.

Tarver wasn't any more interested in fighting than Roy was. As cowardly as Roy fought, Tarver certainly didn't give him much reason to be afraid. Even in the 11th when Roy was buzzed, Tarver was so gassed that by the end of the round, Roy was stalking HIM.

 

Excellent analysis. I spoke to Buddy McGirt about that a year ago and he said that was the plan (well, not to get gassed at the end) but to keep Jones at the end of Tarver's jab and keep taking little steps back. Bernard did this VERY well against Winky a few weeks ago. He said the only time he instructed Tarver to attack was before the sixth round - when he felt Jones was gaining confidence and Tarver had make it a dogfight in order to remind Jones that he could get KTFO. LOL.

 

i already acknowledged that Tito fights differently than Duran, and that he wouldn't be able to do to SRL what Duran did.

but it's stupid as hell to compare Tito to Corrales.

 

Who comaped him to Corrales? Whoever did is a fool. I loved Chico, and god rest his soul, but Tito was a better fighter than him by far. Although, both did have in common that they were both one dimensional. Tito's one dimension however was better than Chico's.