BROTHERS who HATE on Roy???!!!...

is this what REED's asking or not? i mean, really. could you be anymore ambiguous? people hate RJJ because he's not Polish, Mexican, Puerto Rican, etc. WTF does that mean?

 

you really are THAT dense...::

 

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i guess i'm not "in" on what's being said here. apparently, only phonetap, musze and REED know what's up. oh well. i tried to understand. i guess it's over my head. if only i could be enlightened and wise like phonetap. ::

(this of course has more to do with a bunch of people dancing around something they're not willing to say outright)

 

I am having a hard time reasoning this thread out in my mind. I think black people are much like everyone else. We all like winners. When Roy was winning, he was loved. Now he is just another boxer holding on way too long.ld: So the black audience has migrated away from Roy to Floyd mainly. Its not a travesty, its just life in sports.

 

phonetap is just messing with you double l...:: ..."however", when you come to understand that people tend to root for those who are most like themselves you'll be on the correct path towards enlightenment.

 

i guess that's right, but i do think there's those of us who, for whatever reason, have managed to overlook race, nationality, etc. as a criteria.

 

I agree, Jones is my favorite fighter followed by Trinidad. However, I think Hatton is awesome and no matter how unlikely it may seem hope he beats the piss out of Mayweather so in other words I like or dislike the person based on anything but the skin color.

 

I feel the same way, I honestly do.

Maybe it's that I am not a minority (well, Jewish).

But I root for who I like and that's it.

I am rooting for Hatton to beat the piss out of Floyd too, and Pavlik over Taylor. Because they are white? Of course not. I just like them, and that's it.

Like I said, I would have rooted for Chico to beat the piss out of Hatton, I loved Chico.

And then I rooted for Benn over Collins, I would have rooted for Roy over boofski, and have rooted for Tyson and Holy over every white fighter they have faced.

 

Yeah, but you only manage to love Mexican's and Mexican American fighters.

"Oscar De La Hoya fought like Sal Sanchez."

"Oscar De La Hoya wasn't a grappler like Sugar Ray Leonard."

Sound familiar?

 

well as it turns out i do tend to prefer the Mexican style of fighting, whether it be Castillo, Sal Sanchez or Chavez.

ODH I like mainly because he's been willing to fight everyone and has shown a lot of heart. Sometimes his style is appealing, other times not as much.

But I've also enjoyed watching Arguello and Duran fight, as well as M. Johnson, Holyfield and Tyson. And Trinidad was a favorite of mine. And McCallum is one of my all time favorites too.

So I think more than anything, it's the style of certain fighter, not his cultural or ethnic background that appeals to me.

With exceptions, I tend to enjoy fighters who relax somewhat in the ring, and who have answers and reactions to their opponents' moves that don't involve grappling or running.

I tend not to like fighters who try to control the pace of the fight by holding, and I don't like guys who can't live in the ring unless they're throwing punches or holding their opponents.

I hate pot-shotters too.

Probably the perfect example of fighter's style that I hate is Travis Simms, or Willie Jorrin. or Daniel Santos. I can't stand guys who fight like this. and the bad part is, these guys, and fighters like them, manage to win a lot of fights basically by holding.

 

People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?

 

I think you secretly want to be a Latino.

From now on, you're Double Elian.

 

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now yer jst fkn with me.

 

Double - are you whitey or browny?

 

i'm whitey

 

Exactly what I thought, which is why I thougth the premiss of the question was flawed...

Good points tap and Muze...

The brothas have their heads on straight about this subject...

 

interesting that no one can answer these two questions simultaneously
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LOVE STORIES FORUMS

 

no one had a problem with roy when he was on top of his career, but toward the end he didnt have as much as respect as he used too, around the time when him and bernard wasnt getting alot, people took hops side over jones, it wasnt just the internet, the streets wasnt feeling him no more, you used to hear jones name in songs, people wasnt exactly hating, but they wasnt feelin him

 

we love mike jake, and always will

 

Fine, I'll answer them simultaneously: because they can have the same resulting emotions/conclusions for completely different reasons.

Example: some older black men may like Jack Johnson (even if they never saw him fight) and Ali more than they like Jones because They had a harsher sociopolitical climate which they had to disrupt. Whatever those previous fighters did as showmanship was part-and-parcel with that package of presenting a strong African American male prototype that gave them hope during their day. Roy Jones is in an era where many older black men see as a generation that is ruining things for themselves, and that same bravado comes off as wasteful and destructive to African Americans in general.

For non-black fans, it simply may come down to an overall sports nostalgia effect, meaning "back in my day..." which is a natural phenomenon across almost all cultures, and doesn't carry the specific sociopolitical ties.

I'm not canvasing whole races here; I'm well aware that people who are not African American can have these considerations for what they like or dislike, and I know that I personally usually DON'T regularly include that stuff in terms of the athletes I like and dislike, including my personal experience growing up as a middle class African American urban male.

But to say that the percentages of who DO within their own race (again, I'm speculating, but I'm suggesting that there is a proportional difference) should be completely ignored when talking about boxing? That's just naive.

NOTE: this was one example, and I'm sure some people can come up with others (REED and Massa kinda hashed another one out on the "country bumpkin" thing), and it was PURELY HYPOTHETICAL on my part because I do not hate Roy Jones Jr.

 

In an interview a while back (probably 10 years or so ago), Hopkins contended that Roy got to where he was due to the assitance of support from whites at the business table and the box office, whereas Bernard was more on his own and forced to conduct a grassroots campaign.

In a nutshell, Hopkins always felt that he far more represented the Black community than did Roy. Aside from Roy being more accomplished for a number of years, nobody has ever given a decent reason to dispute that claim (IMWO, anyway).

 

Even a number of Roy's fans in Pensacola started having "Roycotts" of his fights because of the lack of competition he was routeinly facing.

 

I knew REED was a racist. Who gives a fuck if "brothers" don't like Roy? They have a damn mind of their own and skin color should have nothing to do with who you do or do not like.

I'm white, that sure as hell doesn't mean I like all white fighters or I don't have the right to "hate on" white fighters.

 

I'm assuming that interview was before Hopkins signed with America Presents (Goossen) and Lou DiBella.

This is part of the reason I've never had any respect for Hopkins. He talks about loyalty and how "real" he is but the truth of the matter is, he's jealous of everyone who has more than he does.

He showed his true colors by how he left Bouie Fisher, the man who let him live above his garage when Hopkins was fresh out of jail with no money and no place to live.

The bottom line is, Roy has always been Roy. Hopkins has always been bitter and receptive to whoever (black or white) offered him the most money.

When Bernard took a 96-4 purse split agaionst Carl Daniels I didn't hear of him offering to help Daniels out. In fact, prior to the bout he made a "donation" to a fighter, which was MORE than his opponent made. The difference being, it was a PR move for Bernard and he thought it would garner good press for him.

Besides...Roy's pro debut came on the heels of a highly successful amatuer career and shortly after one of the worst decisions in Olympic history. Bernard's pro career started under the guise of a decent ammy career followed by a prison stint.

Which would you think promoters would be more interested in?

 

i agree w/ muzse, hopkins has zero loyalty. maybe it's not a loyalty issue, but if he gets the slightest idea that you have turned against him, then he's gonna fuck you twice as hard. i'm surprised his marriage w/ golden boy has lasted this far.

 

no doubt. Oscar must do a hell of a lot of ass kissing to keep Bernard this happy for this long. Either that or Bernard gets a significant piece of the G pie, because his paydays since signing with them haven't exactly been earth-shattering.

 

Muzse, the interview was in KO Magazine, I think it was shortly after he knocked out Simon Brown

 

yea. seems like he wasn't even phased by the 200k that the crooked neveada commission fined him.

 

If that's true, why do you think Goldie has Nard on board?

I don't really know the ins and outs of G, is Bernard an integral part of the company? Does he play a significant part in the overall revenue?

If not, is Oscar in love with Bernard? ::

It sure does seem like a funny relationship.

 

Anyone who likes a fighter because of his skin color is a sorry ass individual and "yes" a racist as well. Unfortunately in boxing, fans are almost always racist, no one seems to judge the character of a man anymore, it appears to be all about ability and color.