I am still a Vick fan.

Yep, anyone doing stuff like that is amongst the sickest of the sick, dregs of society that should just be shot in the face when found guilty.

 

Actually he hasn't plead guilty to th charges. But don't let facts get in the way of a good story. I'll Holla 5000

 

dsimon writes:

You are a great example of a true mammal Mex. You have talked about your capacity for violence in the past and your capacity to feel for the welfare of animals.::

One of my favorite martial arts guys was talking about fighting and our evolution and he made the point that generally people who had the capacity for great affection and lasting friendships also had the potential for violence and that these traits were characterisitc of carnivorous mammals. That is why primates formed the complex social groups that characterize monkeys, chimps and humans, etc.

Point being that it is quite natural for a healthy person to show aggression towards some species and nurturing towards other species. In any country there will always be a clear division based on these categories. Accordingly what bothers me is not that some cultures eat dogs, or even primates... it is when the animal is slaughtered in a cruel manner, whether it be a pig, a dog, or even a fish. Even a lobster to me should be killed before being put in the pot.

That is just my two cents.

 

Damn you got me. Way to make a piss poor attempt to hurt me. Dude that shit don't bother me. But since you did bring up my football shit I will let you enjoy some of my memories. I'll Holla 5000

 

Here are more. I'll Holla 5000

 

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Moral of the story. Don't hate the player hate the game. I'll Holla 5000

 

dsimon writes:

Man it is great that you guys can see eye to eye on something... two of my favorite guys:bears:

 

im not in disagreement with you, i dont like it either, i would never do any of it, and i know there is a difference between dog fighting and cooking a lobster, im just saying i wont say its ok to do it to this animal but you cant do it to the other, you cant fight dogs, but you can hunt a bear, i wont do either. but i also wont make the call that you can do one and cant do the other, even if one appears to be little bit worst then the other.

 

100% in agreement. Like I've been saying I'm a fan of Vicks football talent. I like the excitement he provides on the field. Hell everytime he drops back he can go for 6. That type of shit keeps me on the edge of my seat. Or used to. But what he did off the field is fuked up nor do I condone what he's done. But that still doesn't change how I feel about his athletic ability. And to be honest it really doesn't bother me that he did fight dogs. I mean I know it's wrong but to me there are way worst things in the world to feel all fuked up about and dog fighting just ain't one of them to me. I'll Holla 5000

 

Any word on whether or not Vick had sexual relations with any of the dogs?

 

You really did play. Oh man, I thought I read before that it was your little brother that played and you fucked up your knee or something so you couldnt. I guess the knee thing is after you were playing. But really, I only watch the superbowl. Never have really been into football.

 

CORRECTION: He won't plead guilty to ALL the charges.

Apparently, he won't plead to killing dogs, but will plead to most of the other stuff. That can work in his favor seeing that Vick's participation in the killing of the dogs is what the other guys said, but it would be difficult to actually prove.

"However"

Seeing that the judge will decide the sentence, he can look at it in one of two ways. He can rule that despite Vick's admissions on some accounts, it's basically three against one and still levy a sentence longer than what's requested by the prosecution.

OR

He can give a lighter sentence based on the lesser admission in his plea when compared to that of the other guys.

Vick's basically saying he didn't bet on dogfights (which is hard to prove because it's a cash game) and he didn't kill any dogs (which is hard to prove because it's their word vs his).

 

dsimon writes:

You can have dogfighting. Me I will take catfighting any day of the week!

 

Not that I know of. But I used to supervise a dude who had sex with over 80 dogs. I'll Holla 5000

 

Dont get me wrong Dman. I never have really hated I+I. I have known him for several years. I have probably known him longer than anyone else in my posting career. We do get into some heated topics, but I dont really wish him any real harm. I think he has some fucked up ideas, but we cant all be perfect.

 

Just want to add this. How come PETA aint after these clowns.

Just a little off topic. But since people bring up dog fighting how come they don't talk about what happens with these dogs.


Hypocrisy of Democracy my friend.

Sad thing is the actual legal sport involving dogs is MUCH worse than anything Vick is accused of.

Yet no one is calling for an end of that sport.


Dog racing is cruel and inhumane, and should be phased out. While at the racetrack, dogs live a life of constant confinement, suffer serious injuries, and are sometimes killed when they are no longer profitable.

A Life of Endless Confinement
While at the racetrack, dogs are confined in small cages barely large enough for them to stand up or turn around for long hours each day. On average, over one thousand dogs live in warehouse style kennels at each racetrack.

Dogs Suffer Serious Injuries
Thousands of dogs are seriously injured each year at commercial racetracks, including dogs that suffer broken legs, cardiac arrest, spinal cord paralysis and broken necks. Unfortunately, not all of these injuries are reported to the public because some states do not even keep records on the number of dogs injured each year.


Dogs are Killed When They are No Longer Profitable
Thousands of dogs are killed when they are injured or are no longer fast enough to be profitable. According to the pro-racing National Greyhound Association, an estimated 5,000 dogs were killed in 2003.


Dogs Are Transported in a Dangerous Manner
Because dogs typically compete at several racetracks during their career, professional haulers transport large numbers of dogs from one racetrack to another. During this process, dogs are transported in cramped conditions, and in some cases undergo cross-country trips in unventilated, aluminum trailers or rental vans. According to Care of the Racing Greyhound, an industry handbook, transportation over long distances can cause dogs to suffer from dehydration, weight variation, and exhaustion.

In recent years, there have been several media-documented cases of racing dogs dying during transport. For example, in 2003 two dogs died en route from Oregon to Oklahoma.
Economic Pressure Leads to Animal Neglect

To racetrack promoters, dogs are short-term investments. Even the fastest dogs only race for a few years, and are expected to generate enough profit during that time to make up for the cost of their food and housing.

The pressure to generate gambling profits can lead to negligent care. Adoption groups frequently receive dogs in a general state of neglect, including dogs suffering from severe infestations of fleas, ticks, and internal parasites.

To cut costs, dogs are fed the cheapest meat available. According to Care of the Racing Greyhound, the primary sources for meat used to feed greyhounds in the United States are "abattoirs that have commercial products of 4-D meat for Greyhounds." It goes on to add, "The 'D' stands for dying, diseased, disabled and dead livestock ... this meat is used because it is the most economically feasible at this time."

The quality of veterinary care a dog receives can also be compromised by financial considerations.
Dogs Race in Extreme Weather Conditions
At commercial racetracks, dogs race on the hottest days of summer and the coldest days of winter. These extreme weather conditions can contribute to racing injuries.
Dogs are Trained With Live Animals, Such as Rabbits

Some members of the dog racing industry believe that training dogs with live animals, such as rabbits, causes them to run faster when competing. While the industry has publicly denounced this practice, it does still occur. In 2002 a greyhound breeder and owner had his state license suspended after he was caught using domestic rabbits to train his dogs. At least 180 rabbits were found at his kennel in rural Arizona.

Some Trainers Give Dogs Performance Enhancing Drugs
Because commercial dog tracks are dependent on gambling revenue, there is always a risk that the integrity of races will be compromised by the use of performance enhancing drugs.

In 2002, Wisconsin state officials secretly filmed a greyhound trainer injecting 11 dogs before races with a foreign substance they believed to be boldenone, an anabolic steroid derived from testosterone. In a separate case, 119 dogs tested positive for cocaine at Florida racetracks between 2001 and 2003. Unfortunately, the state refused to investigate how these drug-positive dogs had ingested cocaine.
Dog Racing Should be Phased Out

Like all dogs, greyhounds deserve to be protected. Until dog racing is outlawed, dogs will continue to be confined in small cages for long hours each day, they will continue to suffer serious injuries, and will continue to face the risk of neglect and death.

It is time for citizens to stand up and say “enough is enough.â€￾ Please add your voice to the growing chorus of people who believe that it is wrong to treat dogs in this cruel manner.

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Ouch ::

What kind of supervision does a dude like that get?

Pedophiles aren't supposed to be anywhere within a certain distance of a school and stuff like that. Does this dog fucker have to remain 100 feet away from any pet store or kennel? :laughing:

 

Is that how you got your name? :dunno:

 

Bullshit.
These dogs go up for adoption after only a couple or few years.
Many people like to adopt these dogs because they are former race dogs etc.
I personally know two people who have former grey hound racing dogs.
They have all kinds of adoption programs for those dogs.
I'll tell ya , those mofo's really are fast.

Maybe back in the day you could make this comparison but , now the life of these former racing dogs lead can not be compared to a fighting dogs life no-matter how you slice or dice it.

 

dsimon writes:

:: IandI knows his commy thinkers. WE have some good discussions on Marx and company.

 

Don't hate the player hate the game. I'll Holla 5000

 

Bro all I'm saying is that these dogs are mistreated and killed and have horrible things done to them. But the US and PETA don't do jack shit about what goes on with these poor dogs. And not all of them get adopted cause some of them die or get killed. But no it's not the same as dog figting however mistreatment of a dog is cruel whether they are fighting or whether they are being treated in the cruel manner by those that hold greyhound races. I'll Holla 5000

 

Actually he was a convicted sex offender who also liked to fuk dogs. But not only could he not be around children but he couldn't go to any pet stores, have any pet magazines or shit like that. Nor could he own any pets. As a matter of fact I arrested his ass for having dog magazines and shit like that in his house. Funny as hell talking in front of the judge about his beastiality. I'll Holla 5000

 

I don't agree with dog racing but ,they did do a lot for the Greyhounds. There are tons of adoption programs for them.
True , they may have it hard while racing but , so does any athelete.
At least after , they get a chance at a life .

All those dogs from Vick's house have to be killed because they say fighting dogs are bread for vicious traits and that is something that can not be corrected.

 

Something I can't understand here. The people defending Vick are bringing up all of these other problems and assuming no one has a problem with all of that. First off that isn't true. Many of us have problems with the other things listed. They have zero to do with this case. I don't see how people can look at a multi millionaire who fronted cash and participated in such a cruel practice and not just admit what a scumbag this guy is. Yes, he's not the only scumbag that abuses animals in the world but some of these guys are saying that if we condemn Vick we must be hypocrites. This is a disgusting thread and it DOES seem to be very racially divided.

A lot of the assumptions are wrong as well. Many of us do have problems with the other things listed and the claims that PETA doesn't do this and that are wrong. PETA pretty much prostests everything but not all of their demonstrations are going to make the news.

 

But Where's the PISS & VINEGAR when "these Other Problems" Occur??...Where's the LYNCHMOB Mentality @ THEN???:dunno: ...

Is there a PETA Chapter Over N ASIA,Policing the Use of Dogs for FOOD???:dunno: ...

& When's the Last Time YOU Referred to an Asian Dog Meat Eater as a "Scumbag,Piece of Shit"???...When's the FIRST Time???:dunno: ...

When it SUITS YOUR Agenda,U'll HAPPILY Get on that HighHorse of YOURS & NameCall a Dude for Dogfighting,Then N the SAMEfuckingPOST,U'll Wish Harm Upon a Person's KIDS ...

Like YOU'RE N a Postion to call ANYBODY a "Scumbag" or a "Piece of Shit"...YOU'RE just a HATER by Nature & the INSTANT Somebody Gives U FUEL,U'll GLADLY Join in on the Bashing...

& SPARE Us your "Racial" BULLSHIT...As if YOU didn't have ANY "Racial" Undertones to your "BOY" References to Phonetap...Just like YOU DIDN'T Have an "Racial" Undertones by Referring to the NBA as a "Thug" League...

U're Chock FULL of Shit,Homey...& U KNOW IT...


REED

 

First thing I'll do is address the kids issue. Are you that stupid?

I NEVER said I wished anything bad to happen on bigdawg's kids. I made an ABSURD statement about me not caring about kids to highlight the absurd statement Bigdawg made about him not having a problem with what Vick did to dogs. I never said I wish this happened or as he said that I wouldn't help them. You could make the same example if there were a serial killer who killed homeless people. Someone could say, "Who cares? They're just dirty bums, it doesn't bother me." Or a KKK member who doesn't have a problem with minorities getting murdered. Do you, unlike bigdawg, have the reading comprehension to understand an absurd comparison being made to highlight another absurd comparison?

"Stop acting like he killed your dog!" was the ridiculous response I got. Stop acting like your brother is on trial for this is what i say. Michael Vick wouldn't even piss in your face if your head was on fire.

As far as me addressing the problem with dogs beaing eaten in Asia. I have signed several on line petitions that were being sent to the South Korean and Phillipines giovernments and I have donated money to several animal organizations that actively protest the activity. It's hard to end a practice from outside the region where it's taking place but we try to do what we can. I can't pinpoint the exact "first time" I addressed it but I clearly rememebr it was an Australian organization and it was probably six ior seven years ago. Nice try, Reed. :clap:

I also donate money to the local SPCA and when I get some time off work in the next few months will volunteer my time as I did a two years ago.

PS- That $100 you've owed me forever. If you ever send it, I'm going to donate it to the animal shelter. :clap:

 

That All SOUNDS Good on a Messageboard...Anybody Can SAY they've "Donated" This or That...

But Given the Amount of HATE U've SPEWED Over the Years,REED Finds it HARD to Believe that U've Got a Soft Spot for Animals...Cause U Certainly DON'T have 1 for Humans...

The Fact REMAINS,this "Campaign" of yours was Totally UNKNOWN Until a Football Player,that U've SLIGHTED N the Past, Caught a Case for Dogfighting...NOW,he's Public Enemy # 1 N YOUR Eye's...& NOW U've Been a Lifelong Animal Rights Activist,All of a Sudden...

How Convenient ...


REED

ps. It's Not REED's Fault that YOU Live in Some FUCKED UP Ass Neighborhood that the Mailman is AFRAID to Visit...Either that or your Addy ISN'T Legit...& it's $50,Not $100:nono: ...

 

We doubled up on the Hatton-Castillo card, did u forget already? :dunno: I asked u if you were willing to double up on that $50 after you predicted castillo to win and you agreed. Hatton Ko'd him in 4. Do you not remember this?

I think it's pretty well known when I used to post more often that I'm a dog lover. I really don't care if you believe what I do or don't do. I do it because I love dogs not to impress some guy on a boxing site BUT you did ask when was the first time I addressed a specific issue and I did answer you.

Vick is not public enemy #1 but what he did was senseless and stupid. I respect what he's done on the field but I can't make excuses for him like you. If my favorite players on the Broncos (C Bailey, J Lynch, or R Smith) were doing this I'd be saying the same things I've said in this thread. If Erik Morales or Ricky Hatton were doing what Vick did I would NOT be fans of their any longer. If this were a white player, you, phonetap, and bigdawg wouldn't say one word in his defense.

As far as me not having a soft spot for humans or animals, I'd say you don't know jack shit about me so I would expect that type of comment from you. From what I've seen of you, you have a low reading compreshension and you take forever and a day to pay off measly gambling debts which shows you are irresponsible or impoverished or both. Either way, I don't care. As long as I eventually get my $100.