Worst fight strategies

For a guy who detests fighters who grapple, it's interesting to see you defending Ruiz.

 

REED just Pointed Out 3-4 Instances where Nady DIDN'T Do Such a Thing...

If What YOU Say was even HALF True,Ruiz Could've just Relied on his JAB to Beat Roy...


REED

 

Hey,N the Name of HATE,DOUB will GLADLY Contradict Himself & his Philosophies...


REED::

 

how do you figure? breaking the fighters makes matters even worse. it's not a solution to grappling.

when the ref breaks the fighters everytime they get close, like the ref did in Paulie vs. N'dou, all it does is give the weaker and quicker fighter an unfair advantage. why? because it allows the fight to be conducted strictly in the territory preferred by the smaller fighter - with distance and in the center of the ring so that the bigger fighters advantages cannot be brought to bear. it's equivalent to the referee stopping the fight everytime it's in the center of the ring and forcing the two fighters to fight inside or on the ropes.

if Paulie ever got uncomfortable or found himself out of position, it was made clear that all he needed to do was grab N'dou and the action would be stopped, and he'd be allowed to resume his position of advantage with distance and in the center of the ring.

the only solution to grappling is to deduct points from the offending fighter. disallowing inside fighting is certainly no solution and definitely NOT an improvement over grappling.

 

If you notce , when Nady broke them , Ruiz was not yet punching.
He was just hugging. If Ruiz wanted to prevent a breakup and wanted to fight in close , all he had to do was throw one punch coming in and then start punching when he was inside.
If he did that , it would have been impossible for Nady to break them apart.
However Ruiz did not do that and when both fighters hands are not moving in a clinch , its the Refs job to break them apart.
Ruiz could have solved this simply by just throwing a few punches.

 

no. but in the name of stupidity you will gladly misinterpret my comments and fail to adequately think about what i've written.

 

i'm not so sure about that; it's a chicken and egg type of deal because it could also be construed as hitting on the break. and Ruiz knows how angry he gets when somebody keeps hitting him even after he's clinched them. ::

 

DOUB,U're NOT Clever Enough to Make Statements that COULD B MISinterpretated:: ...

Your Statements R Pretty LITERAL,Homey...


REED

 

uh, well somehow, you've managed to misconstrue my statement here, whether it was clever or not. who says a statement has to be clever for you to fuck it up?

 

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"Oscar De La Hoya isn't a grappler like Sugar Ray Leonard."

- Double Elian

Case closed.

 

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referring to me as, "Double Elian" is the most psychotic thing I've ever witnessed on this board. and let's remember that that includes the contributions of Kau and Qwerty.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

It's not my fault you want to be Latin. :dunno:

 

REED, will you get off the crap about "pleasantries?" I will never post like you, I will never think like you, bro...my style is my style; just as yours is yours...and I don't go around criticizng you for it.

I believe Roy Jones Jr. benefitted in his only fight at HWT from a referee who was way too hands-on in his fight.

Yes, he would have won the fight regardless.

But he had a much easier time of it because of Nady; who hardly ever allowed them to punch their way out of a clinch or off the ropes.

Most of the examples you've cited; except for Ruiz clinching when his nose was broken; were spots where they traded - there was no need for Nady to step in.

It's a simple point....at HWT, between HWTs, grappling, clinching and mauling - and fighting your way out of it - is a big part of the game. It is in boxing, but it's disproportionately so at HWT.

No other fighter Ruiz has fought has been spared from clinches and mauling to the extent RJJ was that night.

I believe Nady knew RJJ was coming up from LHWT and was especially sensitive and primed to break up any sort of clinching/grappling almost as quickly as it began.

I don't believe that's the way fights should be refereed at ANY weight...and especially at HWT.

That doesn't make me a fan of Ruiz' style; doesn't make me a "discrediter" of Jones' win at HWT; doesn't make me any of that crap.

How quickly you forget how I have historically defended Jones' resume quite a bit.

However, this is what I observe in this fight, and I have no qualms about saying it.

I could care less about crediting or discrediting RJJ's win, and there is no agenda behind this.

Your problem is that you automatically assume that if someone criticizes RJJ or has a different view of a fight than you do (I remember how the Jones-Del Valle KD was due to everything and anything except the actual punch); it MUST be due to a bias against Jones or an agenda against him.

Why must that be the case?

 

why ignore the fact that Ruiz CAME IN LIGHT and SAID HE WAS GOING TO BOX leading up to the fight

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DONNY...

REED Honestly COULDN'T Care LESS about your "Style" Of Posting...The PROBLEM is,You INSIST on PRESENTING YOURSELF as Some Kind of "Objective" Source @ ALL Times,when it's IMPOSSIBLE for ANY Fan to B 100% Objective...

Dude,RE-REED YOUR OWN Post that REED Responded To...YOU Actually Said,"I'm Not Discrediting Roy N ANY Way",then YOU PROCEEDED To Do JUST THAT:: ....Can YOU NOT @ Least See How your Post COULD B Misconstrued as "Discrediting" a Guy YOU Said U WEREN'T Trying to "Discredit"???:dunno: ....

AGAIN,RE-REED the Fucking Post & TELL REED he's WRONG...Cause That's PRECISELY what YOU Did...YOU "Discredited" Every Aspect of Roy-Ruiz & Even Said Roy would have "Probably" Won Anyways...U WEREN'T the LEAST Bit DEFINITIVE N that Statement,which is the NORM for U...So DON'T Get CRASS w/REED for DISagreeing w/U...N your LATEST Post,U Said Roy WOULD have Won,but u DIDN'T Say that N the Post REED Initially Responded 2...

Nady had AMPLE Opportunity to Intervene N the Instances REED Noted...Those were BRIEF Exchanges Followed by HOLDING,yet Nady DIDN'T Assert Himself on those Exchanges OR the Aftermath...

U & REED ALWAYS Butt Heads Because YOU have this Air of Presumed "Superiority",as if YOU R ABOVE Being the LEAST Bit NON-Objective about a Fight or Fighters...REED ISN'T Saying U PURPOSELY Present this Vibe,but is IS THERE,Dog....

& NO OTHER Poster Gets as HOT & BOTHERED about this Type of Accusation as YOU do...

Personally, REED Places U,MUZSE & REMUS on a "Different" Level than ANY Other Posters...& REED DISagrees w/those 2 Crotchitty Cats FREQUENTLY...

REED ARGUES "Hard" & NATURALLY "Clashes" w/YOUR Posting Style,but it AIN'T Personal,Dog...Just Ask MUZSE & REMUS...


REED

 

Margarito should've started quicker against Paul Williams, perhaps even been a bit more wreckless, he's got a great chin, and is notoriously tough, iconically tough infact, but one must wonder, if he is capable of starting any faster, unlike Judah fans, I know some mental deficiencies are never to be dismissed, this may be the case for Margarito, his engine is good, but his acceleration may not be alterable.

I scored it a close fight for Williams, although at times he ran :nono: , I've always admired a good workrate, that's why I scored Margarito's victory over Clottey accordingly, I'd be excersizing the distinct method of a Fraud-groupie, blatant hypocrisy, if I therefore didn't give credit to Williams, though Margarito was no slouch, a guy who doesn't back up should also have the scoring in thier favour wherever there's a viable oppurtunity. Good fight, close fight, fare outcome. Williams was a jerk leading up to the fight, but was all class afterwards and Margarito became a jerk. :crafty: Still, it's ironic Williams said he doubled Margarito to the body and cut him in sparring,...then had exactly that happen to him in the fight, that's one commiseration Margarito could atleast take away.

 

It's not being accused of being 'subjective' that bothers me - that's not it at all, bro.

Of course there are fighters I like, and fighters I dislike. I'm actually pretty vocal about that....the types of behaviors I do and don't like; and I'm occasionally on one of those "like/dislike" threads saying who they are for me.

And when people say I'm favoring a fighter b/c of my posts - ok, I can live with that. Sometimes I am; sometimes I just firmly believe what I posted regardless of who I like (case in point is the Mosley-Cotto prediction thread).

It's the assumption that criticizing or being in disagreement about your perception of a fight or fighter MUST be because I am trying to 'discredit' him or have some anti-X (insert fighter here; usually Jones when it comes to you) bias.

That's what gets me "hot and bothered."

I do, however, try my damnedest to be objective, and won't be apologetic about that; ever.

It's the way I try to talk boxing; though I can appreciate posters who are hardcore fans of certain fighters and always weigh in for them and on their defense.

Just two different ways to go about it.

That's why we clash often - and I can appreciate your compliment and return the favor; because I only "argue hard" with posters that have sound rationale and are worth the time (at least now I do - before, I'd argue with anyone for pages and pages :: ).

I just ask you to try to do the same thing when it comes to your "favoritest" fighters...and not assume that if we disagree or see a fight differently; it's because I have some anti-RJJ bias or am trying to take away from a win.

Classic example is the above, bro - where you say I have "discredited EVERY ASPECT of RJJ-Ruiz. EVERY ASPECT? I just said I think RJJ benefitted from Nady's over-officiating. I am not "discrediting" RJJ's skills in that fight; Ruiz's effort; the fight result, etc.

But if that's the way I see it; that's the way I'm going to say it; and my rationale is clearly laid out in both posts - and I believe it's sound enough to at least warrant consideration because it's based on the PRINCIPLE of sound refereeing in my view - not my "hate" for RJJ or "love" for Ruiz.

Yes, I believe RJJ would have won regardless...but I also believe he would have had a tougher fight of it - much tougher. The reason I said "most likely" or "probably" was simply because I was trying to remain objective on the point...I mean, if Ruiz had been allowed to clinch, maul, and rough-house to excess; damn...it's a bit of a different fight, especially late.

But you are right; that was "trying too hard" on the objectivity front....so I will say I believe RJJ would have won regardless given his footspeed, movement; handspeed etc.

But I will say it wouldn't have been nearly as one-sided, IMHO.

And it ain't personal here on this side; either! :clap:

Peace.