KERMIT CINTRON: PAUL WILLIAMS DOESN'T WANT TO FIGHT ME, I'D KNOCK HIM OUT

Just because he knocked him out after surviving scares of getting stopped himself DOES NOT make his performance better.

If this is how you use you judgement , then you know nothing of boxing.

How on earth could you think that almost losing at certain points in a fight , getting hurt , looking like its possible that he might get stopped , look like a better performance then a solid decision win where the guy who won never looked like he was ever in danger of losing or hurt?

If that is the case then you just propped up all the fighters that struggled with their opposition higher then the fighters that won comfortable decisions .
Gee , I never new that the fighters that struggled with and almost lost to their opposition should get more credit then the fighters that beat the same opposition by a comfortable UD. :doh: :: ::

Then you admit Estrada can't punch for shit yet Cintron was clearly hurt by his punches on several occasions. He even looked like he was going to go down at one point.

Bro , if you want to convince me that I should think more of Cintron , then you should just drop the Estrada fight and stop referencing Sugar Shane Mosely. It's not helping your cause.

 

I'm not sure. At points in that fight it did appear he was getting that very discouraging quit look on his face.
He pulled through that though but , he still had that look for awhile so its hard to say either way.
If Estrada could punch just a bit harder , it might have pushed Cintron past that mental point.

 

I don't see Cintron beating Williams. Williams is a more skilled fighter and has an iron chin.

 

Williams is in the mix, but really no more than Cintron. No one is beating down the door to make a Floyd/Williams fight nor a Floyd/Cintron fight. If these guys have the balls to put there titles on the line in a unification match it would turn heads and put the spotlight on them for sure.

 

So kermit will get owned for 4-5 rounds...then lands a few bombs on Williams...and end THE FIGHT!!....sound good....

Doesn't that happen often...a guy get outbox for a few rounds...and one punch ends it...Tarver didn't have his eyes close witha ll those left hands he landd on Harding....:nono: :nono: :nono:

 

Yes , it does and it can very well happen.
However , you must understand that an inferior fighter winning that way may only be able to do so 1 time out of 10.
Hey , sometimes that one time comes the in the first fight.
Good for that fighter.

As far as the Harding fight , I don't give Tarver any credit for that.
It was just his day. Like I said , 9 out of 10 times Harding would have beaten Tarver back then.
Tarvers one fight happen to come around in fight number 2 the rematch.
The fight before Harding schooled him and broke his jaw. He was about to repeat the same beating all over again.

 

I thought their first fight was pretty good up until he broke his jaw. But, no doubt, Harding was busting him up in the rematch until that left broke through.

 

I think Paul would stop Cintron late in a WAR!

 

Cintron is alot better than Bumlomir. His mental toughness is still a question mark, but the guy clearly can hit like a sonuvabitch! That and his size makes him a real threat to Williams. I pick Paul, but if Kermit KO'd Paul I wouldnt be at all surprised.

 

Williams is ALREADY in the mix! Beating Margarita is a bigger accomplishment than beating Zab, or Bumlomir.

 

Not on this forum. But I agree. And I'm not convinced re: Cintron. He has all the physical tools in the book and has matured well but I'm still unsure about him when the waters get deep. Pit that against an ultra-confident guy like Williams and I wonder how he holds up. Good match-up though.

 

Yup. That exactly why I'd favor Paul. He's not as powerful as Cintron, but he's definitely mentally tougher, and takes a better punch, and he's quicker as well. But all that COULD be negated by the fact that Kermit has the equalizer in his fists, plus Williams is no defensive genius. Thats what makes it such a great fight!

 

see. my point is, i disagree with this characterization. i don't think Cintron was ever in danger of being stopped himself. and as i said, i don't view Cintron's stoppage of Estrada as having been pulled out of the fire. it wasn't weaver knocking out Tate in the 15th round. it was more like McCallum knocking out McCrory.

 

Agreed!

 

this fight is such a no brainer. I will be pissed if it isn't made.:flip:

 

It wasn't a pull from behind KO or anything. Had it gone the distance Cintron would a won a close but clear decision.
However you seem not to remember Cintrons knees buckling , the look of defeat on his face as he started to get tired.
At that point Cintron was busted up , bleeding.
Cintron required stiches over one of his eyes.
There were some points where I thought if Estrada could just mount a slightly more intense attack , he could stop Cintron.


Did you know that fight was a legit candidate for fight of the year ?
They don't nominate one sided fights for fight of the year.
Right there that should tell you that at certain points in the fight , it was possible either guy could have won.

Shane Mosely never had those types of problems with Estrada.

 

I don't know, I agree with Double L on this one. It was a competitve fight, but I never had the sense that Estrada was going to ever pull ahead, much less stop him. Yes, both fighters were hurt at times, but Estrada far more than Kermit.

If the fight went the distance, Cintron would've won a lopsided decision. I had him up 6-3 going into the 10th, as did two of the judges if I'm not mistaken. That's a 3 pt lead. Even if Estrada made it out of the 10th, he'd have lost the round 10-7, which puts him down by 6 with two rounds left. And considering the beating he took, it now becomes a mythical matchup if you were to have him somehow rally back and win the 11th and 12th.

I thought it was an exciting one-sided fight. Cintron had Estrada hurt far more thn the other way around. Estrada made a fight of it by managing to always land just enough to momentarily turn the fight around anytime Cintron had him reeling. With the exception of maybe one round (I think it was the 5th), I never had the sense that Cintron was in danger of losing the fight.

 

Estrada was brave and certainly very competetive with Cintron, but I never felt like he was a serious threat to actually win the fight. He provided a stern test however, in what may have been the most important fight in Cintron's career; in terms of his progression as a fighter. He answered a lot of questions in himself during those 10-11 rounds and appears to be much the better for it.

Kermit's issues have always been more internal, than physical. He has the tools to be in there with the best. It's the missing confidence and mental toughness that was holding him back, IMO.

 

I agree, and said the same going in and then after the fight.

Going in, I wasn't sure of the matchup as Estrada seemed like the wrong type to face if you have psychological issues.

When all was said and done and people STILL questioned Kermit's psyche, I said that if he were mentally shot, it would've shown in this fight.

It was the perfect fight for him, though. Probably one he could've used BEFORE the Margarito fight. Even out of the ring, he walks with somewhat of a swagger, not arrogant, per se, but more so that a great weight has been lifted off of his shoulder. Some fighters get defensive about their defeats, usually because it's tough for them to look in the mirror and accept the truth. But Kermit is over it, willing to take a rematch if/when it's available, and is a much better fighter now as a result.

 

:crafty: So why did....._______________ nevermind, I promised to hold it back.

 

I hope he smashes Phoney if they have a rematch.

 

Exactly right.

Cintron has all the physical and stylistic tools to be a huge threat in the division - and potentially rule it. That much should be clear.

His issues have ALWAYS been more emotional/mental - confidence, mental fortitude, perseverance.

I still maintain (and agree with Double) that Cintron was never really seriously physically hurt in the Margarito fight...at all.

WHat he was - was OVERWHELMED. He was simply not mentally ready for a fight like that and a fighter with that type of resistance and resiliency.

That he took fights like Estrada, Suarez and Matthysse in a row tells you alot about his desire and seriousness...and the fact that he's passed all of those tells me he has improved significantly in terms of his mental maturity and toughness.

The fact that he is desperately hungry for a rematch with Margarito is also telling.

I'd love to see him fight Margarito again or Williams...and wouldn't count him out in either.

Peace.

 

Bingo.

 

Williams win this vs. UD. Cintron was already exposed.

 

Williams is MORE SKILLED than Cintron....but his skills are not so overwhelming that he would beat Cintron 9/10 times..:crafty: he throws alot of punches(is open for counters)...has a defense is SHIT...and isn't much of a puncher...

 

Yup, so were Lewis, and Barrera, and Pacquiao, and Louis, and.....oh, wait.... ::

 

Cintron would turn Cotto's head around 360 degrees like an owl in an orchid. Devistating power, poor defence, Glass chin, in that order my son.

 

Miguel Cotto is a world class fighter..while Margarito and Cintron are 2nd string...:crafty:

what will happen to Cintron when Cotto digs teh left hook to the body...will he fold over in pain....?

When will Margarito pass the hurdle of defeating his former sparring partner?..so he can finally step up to the BIG LEAGUES....of Cotto,Mosley,Mayweather, De La Hoya..etc..etc..

 

Yep...

Tooooooooo MANY Reasons why they SHOULD Fight...

1. UNIFICATION
2. All the "Big Boys" R BUSY Facing Each Other
3. Their Last Fight was on the SAME Day,so NEITHER would have B @ a DISadvantage N Terms of INACTIVITY...

4. BOTH Need another "Big" Win to THRUST Themselves N 2 the THICK of the ELITE Welterweight Picture...

5. NEITHER is N a Position to Price Himself OUT of this 1...
6. NEITHER Really has an EDGE N Experience...
7. There's NO Clear-Cut FAVORITE N this Bout...

If these Guys DON'T Face Each Other & End Up on the OUTSIDE Looking IN for Big Fights in 2008,they'll Only have THEMSELVES to Blame...The Time is Right for Cintron & Williams to Get it ON...

IMMEDIATELY...



REED

 

Cintron isn't "worthy" of Paul Williams. Paul Williams isn't "worthy" of Cotto. By all rights Cotto shouldn't be "worthy" of Shane Mosely, but that's just him. Shane isn't "worthy" of PBF, the only person who is "worthy" of PBF is an Oscar re, cause even the rematch would be the most extravagant, compelling, demanding, MUST SEE, it apparently was in the first place, but if not, PBF doesn't need Oscar.