Clinch filled fights that didn't suck?

yeah i never understood the logic behind G and his manager not pursuing the rematch. Not saying that even at 100% he beats Karmazin, but to attribute a failed rematch to not wanting to give King options is pathetic - all Ouma had to do was take a fight or two that put him back in the mandatory slot, and King couldn't have done anything other than let the rematch happen. At worst, he'd win a purse bid and get ONE option.

Instead, they've taken the scenic route. And what happens? Karmazin loses. What's left? Spinks-Ouma, a fight no network wants to air.

Where's Kassim now? Fucking with middleweights, a division in which he doesn't belong

 

Ouma's far from a bum. I'd like to see him fight Forrest. I dont think he'd win, but he'd definitely give Vern a better fight than that sloth palooka Bumlomir did.

 

EXACTLY. 100% on point and I fully agree.

 

i think Ouma beats Forrest up for 12 rounds.

 

Nah I dont think so. Physically strength, and power beats Forrest, but I dont think Ouma is as physically strong as Mayorga, and Ike and CERTAINLY doesnt hit as hard as either of them. His workrate, quick hands, and sheer determination would give Forrest problems, but if the Forrest that beat Bumlomir shows up again, then I think he beats Ouma 8-4.

 

ouma is faster and younger than both ike and baldomir. i think ouma stops ike and easily outpoints baldomir.

i dont think this version of ike, especially at 154 is stronger than ouma.

forrest also fears southpaws.

 

Ouma would easily beat Bumlomir, but I think he'd have a close fight with Ike. Even at this stage, Quartey brings strength and skills to the table to give Ouma hell. And no way in hell does Ouma stop him. Kassim cant crack an egg!

This is a MM matchup though, Forrest would never fight Ouma. Its a high risk/low reward fight for him, even though I think he'd win it. Forrest is only interested at this point in BIG fights, such as Mayorga, Mosley, or Oscar.

 

Forrest's problem is that of the names you listed, only Mayorga would possibly fight him, IMO. Mosley obviously is not going to fight, not anytime soon anyways, unless he loses to Cotto and needs a fight to rebuild himself.

And I don't see ODH fighting him either.

 

I heard he wants to fight the Taylor-Pavlik winner.

 

WOW. now that would be impressive. of course, it'd difficult to imagine his winning either of those fights, but i'd think he'd be especially in trouble against Pavlik. and if Taylor does win, maybe he won't move up to 168 afterall - it will be difficult for him to resist taking on another 154 pounder.

 

I really enjoyed Winky-Hopkins.

 

YOU DID? good god. that fight was awful. the first couple of rounds were okay, but after that, i found it to be stinky as hell.

 

Being drunk made the fight go by faster and more enjoyable (or less painful to watch).

 

Jesus!:eeeek:

 

I thought it was great seeing Hopkins break Wright down like no other fighter has in years. Having money on the fight probably helped aswell.

 

Speaking of "back-twisting", how many times did Jermaine turn his back on Hopkins and cover up in their fight? I don't mean turn it to the side a la Toney/Mayweather, I mean complete turn his back to Hopkins and cover up his head like he was in the fetal position.

I lost count.

 

Side? Pfffffftttttt... what about when after they finish the climax of thier twists, they then duck thier heads riiigggghhhttt down below belt level, and the only place you can hit them, is with a hammer-fist to the back, or a hook to the arse, or maybe, just maybe if you're lucky with all that thigh and spine in the way, you can reach riiight out with your left hand and give them a stretched little nudge to the back of the head. It's a bullshit illegal style Erratic, and in the case of Fraud it's even worse because he does that pushing to the head, forearm to the throat stuff when he can't handle fighting on the inside. All the more reasons to be a fan of Fraud I guess :dunno: :nono: .

 

It is not illegal to turn your torso to avoid punches; which can include turning your torso sideways to your opponent (shoulder facing the opponent) to present a minimal profile/target area.

It IS illegal to turn your back.

Peace.

 

:nono: Hopkins turns his torso square and tucks his chin in I notice, yes that's legal, but Fraud 'miraculously' can hide his WHOOOLE head behind his shoulder, and as the saying goes, if they're protecting thier head, hit them to the body and the hands will come down, no such thing with Fraud, his hand is down already and his elbow is protecting the 'tip' of the left side of his stomache, there's a landscape of 'turtle shell' to hit, but the stomache is turned diagonally to the right and there's an entire arm wrapped around it anyway,..there's nothing to hit, except for the back, then when his opponent goes, well fuck???..I can't hit his back it's illegal, I better try stuffing me dick up his arse and tapping his face with a soft stretched-out left, ..it is THEN that Fraud ducks his head below belt level,.. 'No hits below the belt, or the back of the head' ?..how do you hit Fraud's head or body when he's bent over like that?.. it's BULLSHIT,..REAL defensive geniuses predominantly protect themselves with thier gloves, forearms and subtle movements, Sweet Pea was a true genius, the contemporary LEGAL defensive geniuses are styles possessed by Winky Wright and Joshua Clottey, but ANYBODY can huddle up and twist thier back into that rule exploiting pose the way Fraud does and rarely ever get hit. :nono: It's bullshit Donny, "the shoulder roll" should be banned outright.

 

You didn't answer my question.

I'm sure you've watched Taylor's "mastery" of Hopkins more than once.

Instead of twisting is torso, how many times did Taylor completely turn his back on B-Hop?

 

Ali - Frazier II: The SuperFight

 

I agree Ouma does not have power nor is as physically strong as Ike and maybe Mayorga but I don't think he needs to be. He successfully backed up Taylor for 12 rounds and was the aggressor and Taylor is a MUCH stronger fighter than Forrest physically, its not even close.

 

:nono: Ok, thank you for acknowledging Fraud's felonies atlast sire minstral, I will now change subjects as you've requested, the great Jermaine Taylor, was relatively inexperienced at that time (which makes his pair of victories all the more sweeter oo la la), he had a 'German-house coach' equivalent to inefficiently tutor him on dealing with pressure, sure the referee should've warned Taylor accordingly for his sporadic back-twist, but that is quite an uncharacteristic action for the great Jermaine, it's completely out of the ordinary, for Fraud, it's a CRUCIAL part of his survival in the ring, he does it to CHRONIC proportions it's the SPINE of his attire pardon the pun, so much so that if you disable it, or just one of Fraud's felonies infact, as Vic Drakulich demonstrated, he turns into jelly!:eeeek: *Squeeeeaaaaal!!!.

 

Here, this gif is for you.

 

Fraud's got more back than Serena Williams. :: :crafty: Thanks for that stunning example, truelly appreciated, clarity indeed.

 

Oh! I get it. When defending myself in boxing; I need to ensure I LEAVE SPACE for the opponent to hit me.

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If you can't find a spot to hit PBF when he has LEGALLY turned his body sideways to you (not turning his back), chin tucked behind shoulder, elbows protecting his torso/ribs....that's your problem.

Maybe opponents should put their thoughts into how to ensure PBF cannot assume that position -- or make him so uncomfortable that he cannot use it....or pound his arms, shoulders and sides of the head mercilessly.

Better yet, aim for the neck or chest...and the solar plexus.

How about a quick uppercut when he is "bent over"? BTW, he is rarely, if ever, bent over BELOW waist level.

And Sweet Pea, the defensive genius you love, used to SQUAT so that his shoulders & head were often at or below waist level.

You think PBF is the first person in history to use the shoulder roll? ::

And he's not hiding his "whole" head behind his shoulder. :: That's anatomically impossible.

When Wright covers up like he does, only his liver area and back of the head are really fully uncovered.....remind me to tell him to open up those arms a bit as it is "unfair" that I can't find a place to hit.

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It's "illegal" to turn your back, it's as simple as that, "unfair" is if it's never called out by the referee, yes,..Winky defends himself with his gloves, his defence is perfectly legal, Clottey defends himself with his gloves and moves back a fraction when his opponent tries to attack his body, it's not anatomically impossible to cover your entire head with your shoulder, Fraud arches backwards and twists his spine, I can do it myself, and Fraud demonstrates it often in his most extreme pose while under fire.
No Fraud isn't the first person in history to indulge himself with the should be illegal ''shoulder roll'', James Toney the other contemporary "defensive genius" (what a coincidence), does it too, thankfully he's slower and older and finally recieved his comeuppance against Hasim Rahman for this blatant felony, a ruptured kidney, all praise be to the rock!, fucking legend, WOOO HOOO!!!! :bears: :bears: :bears:. Fraud's style can fly if YOU really want this cheating foul to bitch up the sport Donny, all I simply ask in kind is to legalise more 'deliberate looking' misdemeanors like nailing the spine as hard as one can, the 'fare' antidote. As for the last step of Fraud's 'shoulder roll' his 'spew pose' where his head rests below his balls, and his stomache is covered up by thigh arse an invertabrates, a hammer-fist to the back of his neck is 'almost' the only plausible shot one could possibly achieve, but then you'd have to deal with the referee, and I suppose you would call the consequent point being taken away as 'fare'. :nono:

I'll say it for the rest of my posting life, ban the shoulder roll, it should be illegal under the clause of 'back turning'.