if you watch the video, I noticed the gloves were signed. I'm not sure when they were signed or if someone inspected the wraps. Maybe in the full video we can see the hands with the gloves off? Cupey
how is this even a dispute? harris is a weight trained 140 pounder who's been knocked out brutally by a guy named carlos maussa. witter is a guy in another class than maussa and he took care of business. harris needs to start getting used to accepting a KO loss. i'm sure it will happen again as long as he keeps fighting.
Who knows if there is any truth to the wraps, I certainly don't, but Harris seems like an insanely sore loser. Talk shit before a fight sure, but if you lose, decisively, give the man his props. Harris sounds worse than Holt.
ok, you know more about Shaw and Harris' relationship than i do.... ....right on about the inevitable Hennessy press releases, usually full to the rim with hyperbole.... but i am sure they'll try to refute Harris' claims as substantially as possible, hopefully with word from Simon Block and the like
Gloves being signed means nothing. Harris didn't have any of his representatives present when Witter's hands were being wrapped. Inspectors barely catch anything. It's the trainer that gives them the heads up. Shoot, I was backstage for a show once and the inspectors were having their first day on the job. The inspector for one room was a 19 year old kid who never wrapped hands and didn't know what he was looking for. Eventually, he called over one of the head inspectors of that commission and the head inspector said, "This guy is one of the best wrappers in the business, so you can trust him." He then walked away.
I agree it did, but Holt was still a sore loser and made the columbia experience sound much worse than it was.
Did Witter ever remove his gloves while in the ring after the fight ? If not and he was taking pictures etc and doing interviews with his gloves on , IMO that is a good indication something might have been shady.
Not really. There's lots of times when fighters don't take them off. It would be very difficult to see off TV if his wraps were tampered with.
he is simply sensationalism at his best (worst) Joon. Considering the dropping numbers I am not surprised
why? Viv is my dude he been nothing but cool with me from jump and I dont jump off just because a fighter loses.
If you look at his questions, he wasn't baiting Vivian at all. Hell, he even gave him an opportunity to save face: "GL: Are you concerned that people reading this who have not seen the fight might look at this as you just making excuses for the loss?" How does Harris respond to that question? Like a guy making excuses. Harris sounds like a crybaby, but whatever. I tend to give fighters the benefit of the doubt when it comes to justifying their losses and I will here, too. I haven't seen the fight and he may have a point about Witter's corner jumping in, but "I should have won by DQ because his corner jumped in too soon" just doesn't portray that champion's competitiveness that we like to see in our fighters, does it?
He has a point on Witter's corner entering the ring before the KO count concluded....I thought about that right after I saw the fight two days ago or so. You can't see Viv fully in the angles I've seen but you can see his legs and it does look as if he made it up right on 9 or 10...cutting it close to get the most recovery time possible like alot of fighters do. The corner was already entering the ring by like 8. That's legit...though I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the fight. As Jake and Arben say, the handwraps issue is enough of a technicality that he could go somewhere with it...especially if Junior DID have people on hand checking Viv's wraps. Peace.
As we were reminded in Judah/Mayweather, at least in the USA, the ref doesn't have to dq a guy for his corner jumping into the ring. Assuming this is the same in England...it's pretty much a lost cause expecting a ref dq a fighter under these circumstances, anyway. And I really believe it goes both ways. Harris wouldn't have been dq'd, either. The gloves issue...well, the doc who signs off on the gloves is supposed to assure that they are within the rules. The other side's cornerman getting to watch isn't really supposed to do anything other than provide assurance. If it really bothered Harris so much...he should have made a big deal about it BEFORE the fight. This is what a manager and your cornermen are there for. Send one guy to the ref, one to the other side, one to the commissioner, and one to the tv people and state your case. Do that, and Witter's side might bitch, but his hands are getting re-wrapped. I don't know how rare it is for handwraps to be done improperly to the point that they give a fighter an unfair advantage, but I suspect it is extremely uncommon.
afaiwg, 99% of us would have a hard time naming more than two fighters who have gotten an advantage from it...and one of those (tito) is only a hunch... Tito and Resto.
Good point. I guess I'll have to go with Tong Po's honey-soaked, broken glass covered handwraps in Kickboxer.