Boxer vs MMA Expert. Who wins? (video)

Yeah you're the man Hanzy, you should start fighting you're so good at it right?

 

WAR REASON

 

Not for MMA it doesn't. It's full of a bunch of boxing elitists.

 

Reason KO1 Stupid!!!

 

Actually the UFC is becoming similar to boxing. The fans want to see KOs. And the refs are instructed to keep the action going and to reset fights more and more that are stalling on the ground. You're seeing more stand up as opposed to grappling. And the promoters prefer it this way. Houston Alexander knocking guys the f*ck out in prison-boxing fashion is what the UFC wants to see. Not Sherk laying and praying against Franca on the ground for 25 minutes.

 

Yeah and they kick and elbow and knee just like boxing too right? ::

 

:: Well it's no different than boxing being discussed on an mma board. I remember some dipsh*t little backward-cap wearing 15 year old talking sh*t like "Man I would put Bernard Hopkins in a kimura so fast!!!!"
The problem with the UFC is that you're seeing more and more little f*cktards who think they know how to fight because they watch some UFC on Spike.:laughing:

 

Call it muay thai.:clap:

 

:: And you're telling me that 99% of experts out there can't have an opinion despite never having fought? I'm just saying what the truth is. Rampage can box, Chuck can not. I don't know, that's just the way it is.:dunno:

 

Hermes Franca is the shittiest puncher I've ever seen and he still knocks guys stupid. :dunno: Same with Chuck, he throws bombs trying to kill you not trying to look pretty.

 

And most of his opposition were f*cking wrestlers, Z. Even the MMA enthusiasts and hardcore fans were saying the same thing. There's a difference between knocking out wrestlers like Ortiz, Babalu, Couture, and Horn compared to knocking out guys with a good striking pedigree like a Rampage Jackson.
Chuck can throw all the bombs he wants, but it was bound time that his flaws would be exposed brutally. The guy is flat-footed, no chin, has no real skill worth a sh*t. He could box with Rampage 10 times and get KTFO everytime.

 

Exactly, there's a lot of top MMA fighters who's stand up is inexistant yet have made very well for themselves. Matt Hughes would get starched by a novice amateur boxer in a boxing fight yet he dominated his division (of, the UFC version of his division) for years, so don,t give me the "you have to be well rounded to succeed in mma" crap. Yoshida couldn't ko a school girl either. An elite a striker as Lewis, who's on a far higher striking level than any mma fighter ever, would be at the very least, a massive threat to anyone.

 

Sure mediocre k-1 kickboxer ( the level in k-1 is far below the one in boxing) could make the transition successfully but a LL could not. Butterbean can be a decent spoiler in MMA, a status far above what he achieved in boxing, but a Lewis would get slaughtered. Whatever, yet were the one who doesn't know waht were talking about.

 

If anyone thinks Lennox Lewis with his fighting style is truly a legitimate threat to top MMA professionals 200 LBS and above, they should not only not be telling other people they don't know what they are talking about...but they probably just should not post in the thread in the first place.

Guys like Chris Lytle and Jens Pulver are decent pro boxers, who have added it to their game and it helps them, but the striking is VASTLY different when a guy can tie you up and take you to the floor.

If you think Matt Hughes would get knocked OUT by a novice amateur boxer, you are an idiot. He is better than a novice amateur boxer and powerful enough to where even if he wasn't he wouldn't be getting knocked out.

In the boxing ring, a top MMA fighter will get demolished by a top boxer...even an average pro.

Likewise in the octagon, the boxer would get pulverized.

You can't box in an MMA match. For example:

Someone like Rampage would never lose a boxing match to Wanderlei Silva...but was knocked the fuck out by him twice EVEN though he has alot of muay thai training under his belt.

Someone like Takanori Gomi would not win a boxing match vs Jens Pulver (professional record 4-0) but he KOed him with a punch in MMA rules.

If the boxer has no ground experience, or experience in something like muay thai (being able to fight out of the clinch) they will not stand a chance against any legitamite MMA practitioner.

A fairer match would be a BJJ blackbelt against a pro boxer...not someone who does it all.

Jeremy Williams has a lifetime of judo and wrestling in his background, and he has been training kickboxing at Legend's for over two years...lets not call him strictly a boxer.

 

::Lol at calling Jens Pulver a decent boxer.And you have the nerve to call me an idiot. Believe whatever you want if it makes you sleep better at night, you'd be the kind of idiot who would pick Thompson (arguably a top 20, at least top 30 before the bean fight) to beat LL had he not been starched by Butterbean. Plus, your Jackson-Silva example doesn't make sense at all cause Silva, while a lesser boxer, is overall a better striker than rampage

 

The top MMA dude will beat the top boxer in a one on one situation.

However in a fight against a group of street thugs, a mobile boxer has a better chance than an MMA dude...tif he MMA dude takes down an opponent, his buddies would stomped the MMA dude silly.

Here's a boxer against some dudes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paCZAxchmjU

An MMA would not be as effective in this situation.

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My point is Jens Pulver is better than 99% of novice amateur boxers and is about a journeyman level skilled professional but according to you he is a bum??

I'm assuming you are a professional with an undefeated record as well, right??

We aren't talking about striking we are talking about boxers. Wanderlei Silva is levels under Jackson as far as boxing goes and still knocked his ass out...twice.

Who says Thompson couldn't beat Lennox Lewis?? Why use Butterbean?? He is a 400 LBS man with wrestling background, clearly alot more suited then a wannabe Canadian lean 250 LBS man, I'm sure anybody (even you) can see that.

I'm the "kind of idiot" who went from competing in boxing, to jiu jitsu and can acknowledge the similarities and differences. We got guys like you calling Jens Pulver a bum, and thinking Lennox Lewis has a shot at beating Babalu Sobral in an MMA match...let alone "ANYONE" Oh yeah and don't forget that mediocre kickboxer Mirko Filipovic.

ridiculous

 

What is ridiculous is saying Butterbean is better suited for MMA than LL. LL would starch the bean easily in any kind of combat and too suggest otherwise is laughable. And Lewis would starch Babalu with no problen IMO, too small and far too glass jaw for him. Cross training and jiu jitsu doesn't make you some kind of undefeatable beast no matter what you'd like to think. And no matter what I've done in boxing doesn't change the fact that Pulver can't box for shit, you can believe the hype all you want but if you'd have seen his split decision win on ESPN vs some bum, a fight in wich he was kd and nearly out many time but only won because he scored a pair of off balance kd ( one for sure the other one I don't remember) you'd knew he didn't amount for shit. And K-1 talent pool is pretty mediocre, no secret there.

 

Now it is.

 

Did anyone watch the video or just make comments? ::

I have better ground game than that, wtf was that???? :laughing:

 

You have done nothing in boxing, or any other combat sport, and it shows in every post you make. Downgrading Jens Pulver, an ex world champion fighter, as a bum, is all anyone needs to see.

Regardless of what you would like to think, guys like Lennox Lewis would easily be taken down by collegiate wrestlers of smaller sizes...let alone a world class grappler like Babalu Sobral. Glass chin?? hahahah

I believe no hype, but I do know somebody with a 4-0 pro boxing record, and a world championship in MMA is not a "bum" in any type of combat. I am an undefeated amateur boxer who surely would lose to Jens Pulver and any other decent pro or good amateur...but I am definitely no bum.

You think Lennox Lewis (thrown on the ground in a fight with Hasim Rahman, tackled by Mike Tyson, tackled by Ben Johnson in an altercation) is better suited for MMA than someone 400 LBS with wrestling background? I don't think so.

Yeah, K-1 is a bunch of bums:dunno:

Tell me Azazel, who is a good fighter??

 

:: I don't think getting 'tackled' by Rahman, Tyson and Ben Johnson in press conferences, tv sets and locker rooms necessarily means Lewis can't train in defending takedowns in MMA.
A boxer with takedown defense is a very serious threat, especially with Lewis-type power with 4 ounce gloves. The question is, if Lewis was serious about MMA in his young days, could he learn enough grappling fundamentals to make use of his powerful hands under MMA rules? Perhaps he could, he was a damn good athlete for a huge man. Naturally a million times superior to the likes of Aleks Emelianenko and James Thompson who both are still learning on the job but not particularly bad fighters considering their MMA records.

 

You also have to take into account the wave that a piece of buffed up crap like Bob Sapp made without having even an iota of martial arts ability. You're talking about a big gridiron goof with no stamina who smashed many of K1's top level fighters. What happens if world class Lewis steps in, learns some muay thai and gets in there with the likes of Carter, Bojansky and the like?

 

By the way, from the mouth of Fedor Emelianenko when asked what are the best styles to have in MMA, he said "Wrestling" and "Boxing". One is not complete without the other.
But more and more, you're seeing strikers learn enough on the ground to keep the fight standing. The striker with a takedown defense is a far bigger threat than a wrestler with no striking.

 

look this whole debate is ridiculous, but you can't invent attributes for LL.

"if he trained, or if he learned yada yada, are not relevant statements"

there is some REED-esque bias in this thread for sure

 

How about we scrap this piece of sh*t argument altogether and just make it into pure streetfights, anything goes, be it eye-gouging, fish hooking, hair pulling, scratching, low blows, biting, etc? Wouldn't that be the truest measure of one's abilities? ::

 

:doh: I don't even know why I keep wasting my time with clown such as you, Butterbean a better MMA fighter than Lewis would be Keep your respect between fighter bullshit for yourself cause I'm pretty sure I trained at a higher level in boxing and maybe mma than you ever done. At least Stinger Karl has the pedigree to have an attitude about his boxing past, but you, especially if you are anywhere as "skilled" as your brother, have nothing to say. Pulver, boxing wise, is not even a club fighter level, no matter what you'd like to think. 4-0 guys who struggled badly (arguably lost) vs handpicked tomato cans aren't good boxers. A club fighter is someone like Walid Smichet or Bosante and, p4p, they would beat up a Pulver in boxing. A decent boxer is a Shannon Taylor who's miles above Pulver boxing wise. If you can't beat someone at Pulver's level ( in boxing of course) don't even think of going pro, you'll starve.
Sobral was koed twice easilly by Liddell before he had the time to even mount one serious take down attempts, Liddell didn't had to show any real wrestling skills in these one, Babalu was far too worried about his striking ability to fight effectively. Vs a far bigger, stronger and better striker as Lewis is, he'd get smoked too IMO, especially with his crystal jaw ( another obvious thing you deny ). Too suggest that a smaller collegial level wrestler would beat LL in MMA show your ridiculous bias toward grappling and destroys any kind credibility you'd like to think you have. Plus, I never said K-1 fighters were bums ( surprise, surprise, putting words in other people mouth, as I never said Pulver was a bum neither, even thought, in boxing, he's a this level. At the very least, argue with things I said, not one that you make up ), but the talent level is far below the one in boxing hw division, even considering the shallow state of the division. Surely, even a simp as yourself can see that.

 

Lewis had a table up against his back, if the table wasn't there, it would have never gone to the ground :nono: To Lewis' credit, he kept Rahamn away despite his bad luck with the table :clap:

 

Lewis ripped Rahman's necklace off when they were on the ground and then was dangling it in front of Rahman's face to "Come get it" and Rahman high tailed it outta there like a little cunt, awaiting his fate as Lewis delivered the most crushing KO blow in the past decade. :clap: Sweet Revenge!

 

winner by choke, I don't think fighters are meant to be 400lbs. ButterBean being 400lbs is NOT an advantage at all. And he has no skills worth a sh*t other than with his hands. He's learned a tiny bit of submissions. I have to give him a decent grade for his kimura lock on Zulu back in Pride. :clap: