Pacquiao Makes So Many Mistakes You Can Write A Book

In this special edition of the FightBeat Radio Show we've broken down the show into chapters for you to quickly listen to topics that interest you. The first chapter released deals with Freddie Roach claiming he has a mole in the Barrera camp and what can Barrera do to win. Joon Lee and Karl Hegman join me to address these questions.

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Yup, Manny's technical flaws are endless....I could post pages of them. ::

At the end of the day, he still wins.

Power, speed, workrate, stamina, chin, and relentlessness & a southie stance can make up for ALOT of fundamental mistakes.

Peace.

 

... which is the reason why it is rather stupid to talk about mistakes at all. He has a personal style of fighting but since it works so well, there is nothing wrong with it. That is somethin some old-timers just don't get (not referring to you)

 

Karl's take on Pacquiao if actually pretty balanced if you take a listen.

 

than how come he koed barera morales and kd jmm

 

Its funny how the so called experts are the dumbest SOB's in Fightbeat

 

Morales was shot, Barrera is a bum, and who?

 

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It's not really about "old-timers."

Technically correct boxing is sound boxing no matter what era we are in.

And 9 times out of 10; a boxer who has sound fundamentals and is technically correct will put on a superior performance - and have a longer, healthier career, by the way - than those that don't.

The problem is that many don't understand just how relatively RARE it is to have as many technical flaws as a Pacquiao, Jones Jr., or let's say, Ali did - yet "get away with it" and compete at the top levels of the sport.

That is NOT a common occurence.

I think it is fine and completely correct/acceptable to discuss what a fighter does right and wrong - as addressing some of those things would most likely make him an even stronger boxer.

Where the line is crossed is when the other talents that fighter has are minimized, downplayed or ignored...or when the fighter is lambasted without recognizing what DOES make him effective.

Peace.

 

agREED.

There is no such thing as a perfect fighter and every thrown punch opens you up to a counterpunch.

I was one of the early guys knocking Manny for his faults, but hell when you KO guys the caliber of Morales and MAB and have the kind of fight he did with JMM...it's time to give up the criticism.

A guy like Kendall Holt or Jason Litzau who get KO'd as contenders, those flaws are issues for them.

"However"

When the likes of Jones and Ali have the same flaws and they go YEARS against top competition not only winning, but dominating...it's time to lay the criticism down by the wayside.

 

you know their haters never gave up...::

 

your wrong

 

I am talking about a world champion that is so off-balance, he brings his left foot in front of his right foot when throwing his money punch which is the big left, and when he misses he is a wide open target.
Manny is a streetfighter whom has never had anyone train him in the fundamentals properly.
Roy and Ali knew the fundamentals, this guy does not!
He does not know them as his trainers in the Phillipines did not know the fundamentals, therefore they could not teach him correctly.
You seldom saw Roy or Ali off-balance and wide open like this wing and a prayer artist.

 

But he's still great. Pacquiao will always be criticized the way Trinidad was. But their lack of "perfection" will never deter him from being an all time favorite and possible great. He still beat Morales 2-1 , still mauled Marquez and destroyed Barrera, and is about to do it again...:bears:

 

Manny came along at just the right time. IF he had been there ten yrs ago, he wouldn't have stood a chance.

 

people need to leave Manny alone. He can throw a right hand now. I have never seen a two handed fighter before.::

 

Yes...we know.

He also over-extends on the left, he squares up, he doesn't leverage off of his back foot properly to throw the straight/cross, and so on, and so on.

He is not the first "world champion" to commit pretty grave flaws and go against the established tenets of textbook boxing.

Fact is, he's beaten guys like Ledwaba, Barrera & Morales, drew (and arguably beat) Marquez, and has beaten a host of guys like Sinsurat, Hussein, Larios, Sanchez, and so on....all probably more "technically correct" than Manny.

That needs to be recognized....he has alot that helps compensate for his flaws.

Heck, I'm sure you remember Marciano, Dempsey (who crossed his feet at times), Foreman, Greb, ....what about Pryor crossing his feet and throwing shots while falling all over the place? ::

Leaving your hands at your waist is as much of a "sin" as crossing your feet incorrectly while delivering your best shot.

I don't like Manny's "style" per se...but the man's a whirlwind and a great FIGHTER (not necessarily 'boxer').

Peace.

 

Those victories do not count unless you keep your feet in right place when you KO your opponent

 

I always figured it was pretty difficult to remain 'textbook' in form when you're throwing like a damn tornado in there.:laughing: Besides, I don't know what Stinger is talking about regarding Roy and Ali knowing the fundamentals. Roy was a f*ckin' mess, most everything he did was wrong but because of his speed and reflexes, he didn't get exposed for it.
Ali too got hit way too many damn times too for my liking even against lesser opposition. And that rope a dope sh*t against Foreman isn't anything you'd ever find in any boxing textbook. :dunno: Not unless you want years and years shed from your life.:doh:

 

If there were many more fighters like Pacquaio, boxing right now would still be in the front page of the sports papers rather than a caricature of the great and loved sport which it once was. Most everybody out there is playing it safe, fighting in a shell and stinking out the arenas. No fire or real passion left, no real warriors. Just guys wanting to pad their records and make money by doing the bare minimum. Crap like DLH vs Floyd Jr if you will which hurts the sport even more.:dunno:

 

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:: Not at all. Maybe makes it a bit harder, but textbook boxing does allow for a high activity rate - even while feet are moving.

THe problem with Manny isn't that he throws as he moves or that he has a swarming workrate...it's that he is literally cross-footed and/or out of balance and position.

But again, he gets the job done!

Peace.

 

No denying that. He does look 'off' in there. But it seems he's hellbent on knocking somebody the F out.

 

Why does Karl have the gayest picture ever in his signature? :laughing:

 

Cause he's the Stinger!!!!! :blobbox:

 

That's Johnny Weismuller, the greatest Olympic swimmer of the first half of the 20th century and the greatest Tarzan ever.
Only Babe Ruth and Jack Dempsey were more famous than him at the time.
That is a studio portrait I got off of e-bay is all.

 

You can write a book about all the mistakes Manny Pacquiao makes, but you could also write a book about how the world should be governed and you'd look less foolish, than continually criticising one of the best fighters in the past 20 years.

Not only that, you pick two proven Manny Pacquiao detractors to make a point? Somewhere along the line, bias and arrogance replaced impartiality in the media and this kind of stuff passed. It's a shame.

 

i dont like pac, but i really didnt say anything negative about him. i said trained or not, he's gonna bash barrera.