Golden Planet Hollywood Mafia purchases Ring Magazine, et al

without reading the whole thread yet, my first response to this news is that it's a travesty. and it will diminish almost entirely the magazine's credibility. this would be like if DK bought the WBC. or Arum purchased the IBF. i guess to an extent they already have, but the ring had been viewed as a legitimate and credible entity, one with the fans best interest at heart. no more. and as a result, it will be marginalized. you have to wonder if G didn't buy it in an effort to do away with it.

 

Yeah, The Ring can have a repeat of its glorious, honest days of the late 70s.

 

at least now brian kenny, max kellerman and these other dullards will be forced to drop all the grandstanding for credibility of the ring belts and rankings

 

Good point.

 

I can understand people who respect the ring more than the sancioning bodies. I just don't agree that whatever the ring says it's final.:nono:

Now with Oscar as the owner it will be interesting how the rankings change. All this time the Ring has had system on how the rankings work and how their champions are crowned. We'll see if they stick with that.

 

A travesty? As if The Ring should have any credibility, anyway.

Why would G buy it to do away with it? This is quite the opposite, I'd guess. G overestimated its reputation with the fans and as a result, they are going to lose a lot of money when they decide to resell The Ring in a few months.

 

I thought De La Hoya already owned The Ring magazine...at least it seemed that way during the mid-90's.

I think it was the DLH-Charpentier post-fight that had something about "soft lips" and "making legs quiver in and out of the ring".

There were some other obvious embarassing articles designed to feed into the hype surrounding the Golden Boy.

About the only time they came close to calling him out was when someone wrote something asking him to keep his word and give Sweat Pea a rematch.

Of course then they had some cover after DLH-Camacho saying something about giving him respect...(after all, he did beat the man who just knocked out Sugar Ray Leonard).

 

They had a couple criticizing him, or at least one of the sister magazines did.

I remember them with the cover saying something like "Stop Whining Oscar" after the Mosley rematch.

 

if they do away with it, then they won't have to adhere to ring definitions of champions. they can define champions and contenders alike, and squeeze out non-gbp fighters and fool the public that all the best are with G.

 

I'd stopped reading The Ring long before that...but it wasn't the same, criticizing him him in 2003 is different from doing it when he was still undefeated during the 90's.

And The Ring (with their delayed publishing) was hardly the first to do it...heck that was basically the theme on ESPNEWS's coverage at the post-fight presser...and a lot of writers had written things very similar in the days after the fight.

 

"They can define"?

Through what means? Advertising? Paying off Fightbeat?

The Ring is a true paper tiger. They influence a few people who can influence people who are naive or haven't thought things through well enough, but as far as substance...their 'champions' and 'rankings' don't really mean anything.

A top 5 ranking (or #1 ranking, for that matter) in The Ring won't get you a title shot, for instance.

It's only the collective ranking of a few fans who generally seem to know less than the top 20% around here, for instance.

 

This is like the Corleones talking about having writers on the payroll who write for newspapers, so when they offed the police captain, they had writers talk about how dirty the captain was. Now when the Golden Snaggle Tooth Mafia does something shady, they can have their guys at The Ring try to cover it up.

Times must've been pretty rough over at The Ring for them to stoop to this level. After all this talk about how they are the objective source, so full of integrity, and not influenced by outside sources. Then they sell themselves to a boxing promotional company.

 

I wonder if they'll change the name to "The Golden Boy Ring Champion"

:dunno:

 

In Oscar's next fight he should come wearing all kind of ring belts and instruct (or whoever is announcing) introduces him at the Ring Champ and make sure to mention it's an independant mag. ::

 

no but they will probably make

Barrera thw Ring champ of everything from 105 to130

Oscar the Ring champ from 135 to 154

Bernard the Ring champ from 160 to 199

Sultan the Ring champ from 199 up

 

So called experts bash ring magazine but the sanctioning bodies are much MUCH worse,fucking hypocrites in this bitch.:shit:

 

Much worse? In what sense? That they actually have titles (and rankings) that mean something?

 

Having dead people in your rankings mean something? Paying sanctioning bodies off to move undeserving fighters up the rankings mean something? Having WBA super champions and interum champions and normal champions all in one weight class mean something?Paying outragous sanctioning every fight means something? Do you see where I'm going with this??......? Probly not hypocrite......OH wait,do me a favor.name all the sanctioning body champions in each weight class and dont' you dare look on the internet:nono:

 

i used to be able to name all of sanctioning body champs...now...hmmm
macc at wbo c, mormeck with a nd f, drawing a blank with wbc c..
lh...dawson, erdei, woods...not sure of 4th if hopkins has one...
sm big 2 and berrio...m taylor x2, sturm, abraham...jm...dzin, forrest, spinks...w williams, floyd, cotto...jw hatton, lynes, torres, witter...l diaz diaz diaz casa...i'll miss a few from here on down...but so what? I recognize the names of the champs and can probably remember who they beat to get their belts.

You make criticisms of the sanctioning bodies...yee haw. How original. Yet you think the retarded Ring shit means anything? It doesn't with one caveat...Max and Teddy promote the shit and they have influence with people who don't know better...like yourself.

The Ring is for non-fans and the simple. Your pointing to the wbo ranking a dead guy puts you in the latter category.

 

:notallthere:

So Ray Robinson,Henry Armstrong,Joe Louis,Willie Pep,Sandy Sadler exc title reigns meant nothing? because they never held a sanctioning body title ,they held the Ring Magazine title

 

It was a different era back then, so there's no comparison.

You'll find very few defenders of the alphabet, just that some people don't feel the need to bash them in every post. This topic is about Golden Boy purchasing The Ring, not the WBC, WBA or IBF. Only obsessed muthafuckas like Dan Rafael, Max Kellerman and others feel the need to bash the alphabets as much as they praise The Ring. Others can simply ignore both and determine for themselves who's the best.

Honestly, my problem in general is the need to call someone the champion. The Ring has the right idea, but where it becomes an issue is when someone actually wins their version of the title. Their policy states that titles are only won and lost in the ring, or if the champ voluntary relinquishes the title due to moving up in weight, or retiring.

Where they falter is in getting their champs to continue to fight the best. Bernard Hopkins can now play the senior circuit until he finally decides to retire for good. Joel Casamayor hasn't fought since winning their version of the title; his first "defense" comes against a guy who LOST his last significant fight, having done nothing since then to earn a shot at such a supposedly prestigious title.

Oscar de la Hoya's first/only defense of their title came against Yori Boy Campas. Roy Jones' came against Glen Kelly. Bernard Hopkins against Carl Daniels - and followed up with the classic against Morrade Hakkar. Paulie Ayala somehow reigned two years as their 122 lb. champ without ever making a title defense. In fact, he never again fought at the weight.

Like I said, their hearts are in the right place, but their system leaves them playing traffic cop more than anything else. Yes, the other sanctioning bodies often act too quick in stripping a fighter, and order some absurd mandatories. The Ring is the exact opposite - they have the right idea in getting the best to fight the best in order to crown a champion, but only in divisions where vacancies exist. Once they get to the top, they're no longer obligated to fight the best. Why? Because The Ring can't force anyone to defend against the best. All they can write slanderous articles and :nono: all they want. At which point, said fighter will normaly say "Fuck you, your title means nothing anyway."

I'd rather see a system more in line with an annual playoffs, and where the #1 spot is always up for grabs. The best fights the best in order to become/remain the best, not one guy fucking around winning a title, then holding it ransom.

Until such a system is put in place, I'd rather simply rank 'em 1-10 than be forced to recognize a champion at any given weight.

 

agREED with everything you've said. however, after the recognized champion, the "next" best is often arbitrary. everyone has their opinion on who the next best actually is. is the next best the guy who's the highest ranked contender or the guy perceived to be the greatest threat to the existing champion. often these variables do not go hand in hand. secondly, boxing isn't a sport where a champion should be required to fight the best time in and time out...a champion occasionally deserves a "soft touch"...if you fight the best all the time you're going to have a short career. NONE of the all-time greats fought that way so it's not fair to hold today's fighters to such a standard to retain champion status.

but back to the central theme...how do you go about ranking the next "best" opponent? phonetap doesn't think there would be a general consensus on this the vast majority of the time.

 

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Golden Plans To Expand Ring Magazine
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Golden Boy Promotions Oscar De La Hoya plans to make Ring Magazine, the acknowledged “Bible of Boxingâ€￾ an even bigger and better magazine.

Golden Boy vice president Eric Gomez, in an overseas telephone conversation with Viva Sports/Manila Standard Today said “ the reason Oscar (De La Hoya) got involved and bought it is because he wants to add to it, he wants to make it a better magazine.â€￾

Gomez who is a longtime friend of De La Hoya said that none of the top executives of Golden Boy including CEO Richard Schaefer, De La Hoya and himself are “not going to get involved with the Ring editorially. We are just going to better it. We are not going to get involved at all with the editorial or with any of the writers. They are going to do what they are doing. We are not going to alter it in anyway, shape or form. It will remain the way it is.â€￾

At the same time Gomez said that respected editor-in-chief Nigel Collins is “a very nice person. Very knowledgeable . He is a straight-shooter.â€￾

With the greater interest of Golden Boy Promotions in the Philippines and their tie-up with the famed ALA Gym of renowned boxing patron Tony Aldeguer and the resurgence of boxing in Australia and South Korea as well as the growth of the sport in Japan, Thailand and Indonesia, Gomez indicated that coverage of Asian boxing is likely to be increased in the future.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

I read that this morning, but didn't want to post it here for fear of being accused a spammer by Cupey ::

But yeah, how exactly do they plan to expand it without altering it? And bettering it without getting involved with anything editorially? Never mind the contradicting statements - neither G nor the author even HINT at what they plan to do to better the magazine.

Between this, Oscar caught in fishnets and fuck-me-pumps, Shane juicing (even if 4 years ago, and only for 1 fight)... I mean you just can't help but laugh anytime Golden Boy Productions is even mentioned in any conversation.

 

Well if they are expanding it maybe they will need more writers. Apply Jake! :bears:

 

This just Might B the Most VAGUE & GENERIC Press Release REED has EVER Seen....


REED

 

yep, it's right up there with Oscar holding a conference call last year to let everyone know he was still undecided on whether or not he was going to re-retire ::

 

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Other than simply promoting it better, how is the Golden Snaggle Tooth Mafia going to improve the magazine without having influencing what is in the magazine?

 

Well the only thing that the article did mention is a possible increase in the amount of coverage given to boxing in Asia.

Nothing i would much care about, but some people would be interested in it. Also The Ring does get accused of having a heavy pro American bias so that might help mediate some of those criticisms.

 

They're going to replace all of the Everlast ads with Ice Link and Rock Star.

"The Bible of Boxing"? Try "La Biblia de Oro del Boxeo"

Nigel Collins will write from here on out under the pen name Nico Cuevas.

The Letter from the Editor will instead feature a PDF-linked chart of Golden Boy's profits for the month, courtesy of Richard Tricky Dick Schaefer.

Rankings will now be based on net earnings and sponsorship interest.