Does anyone think Margarito might have ruined Williams?....

so your response to my denial of your claim that i'm a big tszyu fan is to simply repeat it? you're a real dum dum, aren't you? worse than useless. and perhaps slightly amusing at one point, but by now just annoying.

 

No, my response is that you LOOOOVE to bash certain fighters for their perceived (by you) lack of serious opposition, yet certain fighters get pass (from you) , despite not having a resume even remotely close to resumes of those, who you bash.
Case in point: Floyd Mayweather. You bashed him, but his resume is so vastly superior to Zoo, it's not even funny.
Yet, you never critisized Zoo for his horrible opposition.
What gives, Double? Why does Double have Double standards?

 

a. nobody(including himself) ever declared tszyu p4p #1
b. tszyu faced an undefeated judah that many picked to beat him
c. mitchell was the biggest perceived threat at the time at 140 when tszu fought him

tszyu's short-coming is his unwillingness to rematch either of the men who defeated him.

but yes. when one guy (pbf) claims to be p4p #1 in the world and says he's going to brutally take out ODH, he's going to be held to a different standard than tszyu. it only makes sense.

 

P4P is for teenyboppers. All fighters should be held to THE SAME standard.
Are you acknowledging taht PBF's resume is superior to Zoo's?
Yes or no?

 

eah it's btter than tszyu's - it's better than margarito's too. but it's not p4p worthy

 

Well Dympeople, your quite the phantom when it comes to prediction time it seems, although I think I saw your accurate, in depth pre-fight analysis's for Hoya - Fraud, Hoya - Baldomir, I've got to give you much respect and props on those, for he DID fight like an attrociously shameless bitch, and he DID bawl his eyes out after Baldomir frightenned him in the latter half of thier excrutiating affair, I don't know how you do it, but I feel honoured to be talking to someone who's made millions of dollars off an impeccable gambling streak Im assured. :clap:

 

I don't care about P4P crap, as I stated numerous times.
Thanks for finding balls to admit that PBF's resume shits on Margo's and Zoo's.
Now, why do you think Zoo and Margarito never had balls to face someone of ODLH stature?
Zoo spent his entire careet at 140.
Margarito at 147.
Yet, PBF, who started at 130 fearlessly took on ODLH,something Zoo and Margarito never even attempted to do.
Why is that?

 

no Williams is not ruined. It was a hard fight for both and under the sun and lights Williams did fatigue but not in the way JLC did against Chico.

as far as the Cotto fight yeah Tony had the chance but when it came time to sign and he saw he had to take a long term extension to get the Cotto fight, his team and he chose to fight his mando. Say what you will about ducking but IMO saying no to a fight he wanted then going to take on someone who had been calling him out took guts. I know Tony wanted the Cotto fight more than anything you all can say what you want but he wasn't going to sell out his future to do it.

 

It doesn't matter who you think wins, facts are facts, Margarito didn't sign. Simple as that, he could have signed the contract, but didn't. Face it. Nothing to do with Arum.

And by the way NO FUCKIGN WAY margarito beats cotto. Cotto is elite, margarito isn't. Cotto finds a way to win one way or the other, because he is a true champion and elite fighter, not a whiny overrated bitch like margarito.

 

Sure but he made that decision ultimately didn't he? Not Arum? I just want clarification, as Double L wants to know.

 

it had a lot more to do with Arum MWS. It's easy to say "yeah all he had to do was sign" but there was more than that. Tony was interested in being a promtional free agent and when Arum didn't give him that he decide to fight Williams. Arum did influence the decision

 

no doubt cotto is tough. not saying he's not. but you act like he's the champion or something at 147. not even close. his best win is quintana. wtf does that count for?

his status as elite remains to be seen.

 

Did Arum persuade him not to sign or forbid him from signing, or did Margarito choose not to sign himself?

 

oh come on now. Not everything is black and white like you may want to depict this. Tony did not want to be tied to Arum in order to make this fight happen. In my opinion taking the Williams fight was gutsy as he knew it would be tough and he could have told Bob to stick him on some easy PPV fighting another nobody

 

If he beats Mosley then no question. I rate cotto a lot and have done for a long time. Destroying quintana and judah is better than destroying cintron and having a mediocre win over clottey and a loss to williams.

So far Cotto is the more proven commodity at 147, longetivity or not.

 

Yeah,.. "Go fight Williams then" to be precise.

 

just shut up.

 

Apparently you have more confidence in Margarito than he had in himself.

 

Why should he shut up? You are wrong. Margarito was given the chance to fight Cotto and didn't take it. It's absolutely no fault of Cotto's that the fight did not happen.

 

Eaner, you're cool and I respect your opinion, but you are obviously a big marge fan and you're involved with him personally right?

Something I am curious about, fighters like Morales, Floyd, Pacman, Chico etc have just managed somehow to get the big fights, and the fights they want. If they can do it, why can't margarito?

If he REALLY wanted to fight cotto, he would have done, come on you know it. In a way it is black and white.

 

So who is Margarito tied to now...? Is Arum or Goosen his promoter? :dunno:

 

I win :bears:

 

he is still with Arum for one year. Arum wanted to add three more to his contract and they said no that is why he fought on a Goossen card

 

like i said, arum didn't want to lose his precious cotto's undefeated record to the less celebrated margarito. so he cornered margarito into not fighting him. plain and simple. brilliant really on arum's part. mosely is a much more winnable fight for cotto than margarito is.

and think about it from margarito's point of view. he takes on and beats a guy like cotto, he deserves big bucks. arum basically said, you beat cotto, you'll be paid the same you always get paid. i'm not givin you cotto money just cause you beat him, you can't fill arenas like he does. plus a guy like tony needs his belt.

 

no you don't. you just showed your willingness to over-simplify the argument to the point where it's like talking to an infant. infants get told to shut up because they have nothing really to say.

 

so against his own wished to be a free agent you would have him fight Cotto?

yes I am involved with his team and that is why I know it was just "here Tony sign to fight Cotto" as you are depicting it. He had a choice

sign for three more years and get the Cotto fight for 2.2 million

stay with your old contract, fight williams for 1.something million, if you win your status doesn't change and you probably get another big fight right away

he took a risk and blew it. Yeah Im a fan and a friend but I know when to be honest and he blew it. However I do understand his want for trying to be a free agent especially if he had beaten Williams.

 

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Margarito turned down more money to fight Cotto than he made to fight Williams. True or false (rhetorical question)

 

Margarito will just have to give Judah a fucken beatdown I guess , in order to start reiping these extravagant rewards, join the fuckewn train...:: this is hilarious, inserting Zab into a debate pertaining to who has a better resume at welterweight, for fuck sakes, if Antonio decided to fight Judah now, there would be, and SHOULD BE, screams of outrage, I wouldn't watch it, or even take interest, it's a fucken mismatch that would see Zab with an inevitable fourth consecutive fucken loss. FOURTH,..:eeeek:

 

:clap:


You are supposably the most feared and avoided boxer in the world...never had that one big fight the define your career, never made any real big money, never had an arena packed with 15+thousand booing you....

when that chance comes...you say "Nope i'm not signing..." :: "my paper ain't right...i ain't making Money Mayweather type dough..fuck that AS of right now COTTO fears me.."


plus the motherfucker had the Puerto rican vs. mexican angle.....dumb fucker...

 

it's a conspiracy to keep Margarita down........Mosley more winnable than Margarito for Cotto? I don't think so...Mosley is alot faster...more accurate..has a better right hand..better movement...etc..etc...everything Margarito does MOSLEY does BETTER...shit there things Mosley can do that Margarito has even learn/would never know about.