<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>apparently Arona also lost to Arona <div align="right">[post=44619]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] Dont be silly, its obviously the #1 rated arona beat the #7 rated arona
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Dont be silly, its obviously the #1 rated arona beat the #7 rated arona <div align="right">[post=44995]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] Your Arona nuthugging is going to far. There is no way that Arona could possibly handle Arona. To think such a thing is stupid
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Your Arona nuthugging is going to far. There is no way that Arona could possibly handle Arona. To think such a thing is stupid <div align="right">[post=44999]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] Negro please he would submit him via flying armbar no problem at all
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Negro please he would submit him via flying armbar no problem at all <div align="right">[post=45005]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] he'd have to get past his huracanrada first
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>he'd have to get past his huracanrada first <div align="right">[post=45064]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] he would easily counter via flying knee bar dont be hatin dude
I was at their first match. Liddell has improved a ton since that fight. Some argue that he's the best fighter in the world at 205.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I was at their first match. Liddell has improved a ton since that fight. Some argue that he's the best fighter in the world at 205. <div align="right">[post=48711]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] his takedown defense has looked good of late. His hands were never a question, although, as I said before, Randy got the better of him standing in the first fight
I'd had questions about his standup for years. His kicks were always sloppy and he was never a good enough standup fighter to be top-30 in boxing or maybe even kickboxing at 200 pounds.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I was at their first match. Liddell has improved a ton since that fight. Some argue that he's the best fighter in the world at 205. <div align="right">[post=48711]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] Some do, but it's hard to say how he'd do against Shogun, Lil Nog, or Wand. Judjing by his performance against Rampage, Shogun could be a particularly tough fight for Chuck. Shogun's another big, strong, active 205er like Rampage w/ more diverse striking. Lil Nog's ground game is so sick and stand up solid (knockdown of Shogun), he'd be a handful too. I think Chuck/Wand is pretty much a pick em. Both cats are willing to stand toe-to-toe w/ anyone, so the chance of knockout for either seems pretty equal.
Silvas still the man, he forgot to actually fight aghainst Arona and was still never in any trouble. He'll destroy Arona viciously in the rematch. Silva destroys Chuck and Shogun too, his strikes are simply too fast and too powerful.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>how is wandy #1 after what arona did to him <div align="right">[post=32524]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] What did Arona do to him? Grope him all night? Arona got a gift against Henderson and was flat out molested by both Rampage and Shogun.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Some do, but it's hard to say how he'd do against Shogun, Lil Nog, or Wand. Judjing by his performance against Rampage, Shogun could be a particularly tough fight for Chuck. Shogun's another big, strong, active 205er like Rampage w/ more diverse striking. <div align="right">[post=48845]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] Not really, Rampage has far better boxing skills and bigger punching power than Shogun. Rampage at his best had the best parrying and hand placement defense I've seen in MMA, he also had great knees. He didn't even show up against Shogun and looked atrocious against Ninja in his previous fight, he simply hasn't been the same since that 2nd Silva defeat. Shogun is a very good striker, great kicks, great knees, good but slow punches and his defense is atrocious. He was outboxed by Nog and hurt several times. Shogun doesn't have the technique/discipline in his striking that Rampage had. Chuck could very well catch him coming in with a bomb and who knows how he'll react? Rampage has an iron jaw so he shook off what Chuck hit him with with ease, Shogun doesn't and we've never seen him get hit by a puncher like Chuck. Who knows if he can recover? 50/50 fight.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Not really, Rampage has far better boxing skills and bigger punching power than Shogun. Rampage at his best had the best parrying and hand placement defense I've seen in MMA, he also had great knees. He didn't even show up against Shogun and looked atrocious against Ninja in his previous fight, he simply hasn't been the same since that 2nd Silva defeat. Shogun is a very good striker, great kicks, great knees, good but slow punches and his defense is atrocious. He was outboxed by Nog and hurt several times. Shogun doesn't have the technique/discipline in his striking that Rampage had. Chuck could very well catch him coming in with a bomb and who knows how he'll react? Rampage has an iron jaw, Shogun doesn't and we've never seen him get hit by a puncher like Chuck. Who knows if he can recover? 50/50 fight. <div align="right">[post=56382]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] you say it wouldnt be a tough fight and then say its 50/50? What gives?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>you say it wouldnt be a tough fight and then say its 50/50? What gives? <div align="right">[post=56385]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] When did I say it wouldn't be a tough fight?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>When did I say it wouldn't be a tough fight? <div align="right">[post=56389]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] :dunce: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Judjing by his performance against Rampage, Shogun could be a particularly tough fight for Chuck. Shogun's another big, strong, active 205er like Rampage w/ more diverse striking. <div align="right">[post=48845]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Not really 50/50 fight. <div align="right">[post=56382]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> Ummm You do realize that a poster named "on my toes" posted that and not me, I was responding to it. <div align="right">[post=56398]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] Fuck you're dense.... On your toes says Shogun would be tough for Chuck, and you say "not really"....then you conclude your post by calling the fight 50/50 how the fuck is 50/50 not a tough fight?
He was comparing it to the Rampage fight, which was a onesided beatdown, I argued that the Rampage fight has no bearing on a Shogun vs Chuck fight, you are a tard.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>He was comparing it to the Rampage fight, which was a onesided beatdown, I argued that the Rampage fight has no bearing on a Shogun vs Chuck fight, you are a tard. <div align="right">[post=56429]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] you gotta be shitting me.... you cant even agree with yourself in your own fucking posts..... Go back to that other site, you werent missed here
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You are retarded. And I was missed by all who matter, ie not you. <div align="right">[post=56475]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] Are you sure you agree with yourself? :dunce:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, you are retarded. No more thought on the matter is necassary. <div align="right">[post=56480]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] good thing, because I'm not sure you're capable of it
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm capable of reading and that's all that's necsssary for me to deem you a tard. <div align="right">[post=56483]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] :lame: welcome back :coffeekcik:
Not sure who the best is, but I know it's not Silva, he has always had a tough time with guys who can take him down and his wrestling isn't nearly as good as Rua's. That's why Rua fucking smashed Arona and Silva spent most of the match on his back getting owned.
Rampage had the best takedowns, physicl; strength and G&P the division has seen, he got knocked senseless twice. Sakuraba was incredible on the ground and Silva controlled him from top to bottom in their 2nd fight and knocked him out viciously in their other 2 encounters. Silva totally dominated Dan Henderson on the ground who imo got robbed against Arona. Silva's ground skills are very good, both defensively and offensively, his problem against Arona was that he forgot to actually fight, in a rematch you'll see the real Silva. Rua does have excellent ground skills though and is physically stronger than Wand, which helped him against Arona.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Rampage had the best takedowns and G&P the division has seen, he got knocked senseless twice. <div align="right">[post=56634]Quoted post[/post]</div> [/b][/quote] Coture is up there with Rampage in those categories
