Taylor SHOULD NOT exercise the rematch clause!

He'd just get knocked out again.

Anyway I don't think he will want to anyway. I have a feeling he's going to retire after this one. After getting so heavily criticized and then actually getting DESTROYED in the fight when he was to prove himself...he'd be feeling very low indeed about now.

Personally, I don't think there's anything left for Taylor in the sport. He should take his money and run.

What say you?

 

this is a Steve_Dave-esque thread.

really nice bandwagon jump

 

Taylor should fight again but not excerise the rematch clause.

 

Jaws!!

I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't...with immature fans.

If I come on here and say..taylor is still the best, he just had a bad night....you would call me a bad loser and making excuses. if I say that Pavlik is the better man than Taylor and that Taylor isn't as good as I thought...then I'm criticized for being a bandwagon jumper.

What da matta witcha? :doh:

 

Just admit that you don't know jack about boxing or religions and that we should ignore your posts from now on and it's all cool :bears:

 

Taylor's RESPONSE to this Loss will Tell Us EVERYTHING we Need to Know about him, Mentally...

He's Always Come Across as a Guy who was JUST in the Game for the Money, vs. Trying to ASSERT Himself HISTORICALLY...

& if that's the Case, REED Won't BLAME him for Retiring...

Taylor DEMANDED Respect in Defeat, N REED's Opinion, so if Dude ISN'T "Feeling" Boxing Anymore & is CONTENT w/his Earnings, REED Won't Hold it Against him...


REED

 

you went from, I'm gonna laugh when Taylor beats his ass, to "Well excuse after excuse, Pavlik's power is overrated, Taylor hsa a bad chin....blah blah"

And now Taylor should retire after his first professional loss.

Are you allergic to objectivity.

 

:nono: TOM!,...

He just got caught with a good shot, it happens, Pavlik got caught with a good shot himself and almost LOST in the second round, Jermaine will be back hungier and more determined to prove himself now, I think he SHOULD excersize the rematch clause if he can, it was a great fight, so why not have a rematch?..:dunno:

 

Well I really don't think he should take it above 160. Pavlik is a bigger guy and the higher they go in weight, the worse it is for Taylor.

There's still some cash to be made for JT.

 

typical teenybopperslystaff

a fan of an undefeated champ...then if they get 1 loss they're useless and should retire ::

god forbid floyd loses...then he'll' be called to retire too :shit:
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To he that has, much will be given, to him that has not, even what he has will be taken away.

It's futile for me to attempt to explain to someone of your knowledge, not just of the game but of life and of anything...why this is not just about a FIRST professional loss.

All I can do is give you a hint, and hope that you can eventually work it out yourself in time:

Consider the entire scenario surrounding and leading up to this fight, for Taylor...

 

i think its appropriate u start with a bible verse, given how much bullshit you've spewed in your life.

be objective for once

 

Floyd losing to Hatton, will be an entirely different thing..but HEY why am I even responding to you :: ...You're not exactly known for intelligent contributions to this or any other forum. It's like responding to a comment made by a homeless drunk. :doh:

 

Taylor just fought one of the best fights I've seen in years. He busted his nut in the second, and lost because he made a tactical error. The idea that he should retire is asinine. If had been acting like an idiot on the internet in 1971, he would have said that Ali should have retired after losing to Joe Frazier.

 

How is Ali, coming of a recent three and a half year hiatus and losing a close fight to the reigning champion...analogous to a man that has been heavily criticized since winning the title for allegedly losing TWICE to Hopkins (and getting gifts), losing to Wright (another gift) and then struggling with blown up Jnr Middles, accused of being protected from true middles, sitting on his championship, getting criticized in his own state...and then proving ALL OF HIS CRITICS RIGHT by getting destroyed in just seven rounds?

But then again, you probably only remember the fight itself...and had forgotten all of this stuff...

 

Are you people for real! He had this kid almost out and forgot about in the 2nd round. He should take Bob's advice and take some time maybe another fight and then beat Pavlik like he started to. Go back to the gym and get that left arm up; stay off the ropes and circle left.:dunno:

 

But if Even Manny Steward COULDN'T Get Taylor to DO This, WHO Can???:dunno: ...

No Disrespect, but Taylor IS what he IS...


REED

 

Good points...we are forgetting that Taylor almost won the fight itself. to listen to some people here, including myself at times, you would think that PavliKKK dominated the fight from start to finish without breaking a sweat.

problem is, however, that in a rematch..taylor will enter the fight knowing that this man knocked him out before and this could have a serious effect on his confidence (ask Roy Jones).

So I'm basing all that I'm saying on those intangibles..

 

do you make any intelligent contributions? :dunno:


only about 3 posters on fightbeat do, and you arent one of them


you try hard to though....that's the sad thing
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Like I said, its pointless responding to you.::

 

owned again :clap:
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dsimon writes:

I agree with Sly. Basically yeah if you take the fight as an isolated event then it is one thing... but no fight occurs as an isolated event. Taylor has been maligned for good reason. Nobody is confidant that he won anything, despite getting his hand raised all these times. And he continues to struggle with some of the same problems he has had all along.... though he did look better in this fight.

Pavlik showed in symbolic and real terms that he has a bigger heart and is a better puncher... though lord knows how Taylor ever got called a big puncher!

As Sly indicates this only feeds into all the other negative stuff fostered by Taylor. Taylor can't really go up in weight class easily... he does not have the size to use his strength at a higher weight class... and that is what he has folks strength. His options are limited. And I don't really know at this point if he can beat Pavlik though I suspect not.

 

dsimon writes:

the same kind of stupid shit Roboto would say. Whether you are Roboto or not you ARE Roboto if you catch my drift.

 

Like REED just said, he is what he is. He's barely improved since turning pro, what makes you think he SUDDENLY shall in 2 fights?

It's wishful thinking. Pavlik takes him out again within the same timeframe, no doubt about it. THe only reason Pavlik himself went down is he got caught clowning around.

 

Taylor won't retire and I think he will fight Pavlik against despite his brain-trust advising him not to.

The one thing Taylor has going for him is that he's a kid who TRIES and CARES. Those two factors alone will internally drive him to come back and fight Kelly againt.

I've always thought of Taylor as a competitor who got the best out of his amateurish skills. A rematch will play out similar to Morales-Pac III.

 

Taylor has pride and heart, but he'd be a dumbass to pursue a rematch. He should steer clear from Pavlik, or any other puncher for the rest of his career.

 

I think alot of you are overrating Pavlik and underrating Taylor.

It was a great fight/night of boxing. Taylor almost had Pavlik completely out. He was very close to winning that fight...he didn't follow up and I can't explain why other than his explanation that he was all used up after that barrage. I thought he looked great in the first and second rounds. Fast, hard, accurate punches. I don't think there is any question he's got at least a chance in a rematch.

Pavlik was gutsy as hell. Seemed to me that Taylor really didn't get a chance to show how gutsy he is...while I don't blame Smoger because of the circumstances of it looking like he was out on his feet but stuck in the ropes, I wish he'd have gotten a chance to stand back up.

But he did hit Taylor with alot of shots...seemed that none fazed Taylor until the very end.

It was one of the greatest fights I've ever seen...but the reason it was that is because the guys were very evenly matched which allowed it to be a competitive fight with alot of drama. That means they are both real good fighters, neither head and shoulders above or below the other.

 

I have a feeling that Jermains primary concern in the near future will be asserting himself vertically.

 

The ending suggests otherwise.

 

Taylor's stamina was SHIT in this fight. Was his stamina always bad? He really should have had the energy to have finished Pavlik off. The way he let him off the hook was reminiscent of Holyfield having Bowe OUT in their third fight! :doh: