Pavlik vs Bernard Hopkins. Who wins?

Can the old warrior beat the young and powerfull Pavlik?

 

no

 

yes

 

Bet your ass that he can and will, Arum wouldnt make that fight if his life depended on it.

 

Hopkins would dig in that ass! Hopkins is too smart for Pavlik!

BHOP UD in a easy fight!

 

don't know, this is a good question....the kneekjerk response will be no, but it's hard to count hopkins out.

 

PRIME Bernard OUTCLASSES Pavlik...

TODAY's Version of Bernard would have Problems Keeping Up w/Pavlik's Pace...

It would B an UGLY Fight, but REED Thinks Pavlik's Workrate would Lead to a Decision Win...Pavlik's a HELLUVA Puncher, but he AIN'T KO'ing Bernard Hopkins...Not even an OLD Bernard...



REED

 

No way Pavlik beats Hopkins! He's too slow and sloppy! Hopkins will be landing his right hand at will!

 

If Bernard could still comfortably make 160, he is the only fighter I might pick over Pavlik at 160.

 

Pavlik's PERSISTENCE will B TELLING on Bernard Late...

How is "6 Punch per Round" Bernard Gonna Keep Pavlik HONEST for 12 Rounds???...


REED:dunno:

 

How about Delahoya? What ya'll think?

 

Are you joking?
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I don't think he is ::

It would not even be a fight, Oscar would be destroyed.

 

I still think Hopkins beats Pavlik.

First of all Hopkins is a defensive whiz and would not be getting hit with the straight rights and jabs that Taylor was getting hit with. Plus Hopkins knows how to nullify a busy jab (see the Winky fight) and at this stage of the game is still a better fighter than Pavlik is, and is more experienced.

The only advanrage Pavlik has is his size and youth , but considering the fact that Hopkins gets stronger in the later rounds and Pavlik would be missing all night I don't think Pavlik pulls it out.

 

he can't which is why I say no.

At LHW, or even 170? Sure I'd give Bernard a very good chance. At 160? No way, not today or next year.

 

and power, and workrate. between your two and those two, it's a hell of a lot to overlook.

 

Hopkins defense and right hand will stop Pavlik's offense! Including if BHop hurts Pavlik! Pavlik will be outclassed.

 

Here's the Deal...

Bernard DOESN'T Throw a Ton of Punches Early so he can FINISH a Fight Strong...Against Pavlik, he's Gonna HAVE to Throw More EARLY Punches than he's Accustomed to...

Bernard Throws 6 Punches per Round...Pavlik Throws about 60...If Bernard Comes ANYWHERE CLOSE to Matching Pavlik's Output, he'll B DEAD TIRED by the End of the Fight...

Bernard's AGE Rears it's Head N the Form of his PALTRY Workrate...A BUSY Guy is a Tough Matchup for him @ This Stage...

& Sure, Bernard CAN Hurt Pavlik, but Not Enough to COMPLETELY Discourage Pavlik to Where he STOPS Throwing as Many Shots as he Normally does...


REED

 

Not that I thought Taylor won either fight against him, but that didn't work for Hopkins in either fight until Taylor got gassed. In the first fight, most who had Bernard winning likely had him fighting on even terms (and perhaps slightly ahead) through the first eight. The reason Taylor was in it, or in the eyes of the judges - winning, was due to his offense (even though he wasn't landing all that much).

 

not sure. in his prime, hopkins simply outclasses him. now, hopkins is old and doesnt throw punches, but still he's nearly impossible to hit clean.

at 168 and up, i slightly favor hopkins to win a snoozer. i doubt this fight ever happens.

 

Hopkins would have to revert to his old style to have a chance against Pavlik. he'd have to stay in his chest and not let him get any kind of extention on his punches. I don't think 'Nard has enough gas in his tank to do that these days.

Plus, Pavlik is strong and has the ability to fight a physical fight if 'Nard decided to go that route. Tarver never was a physical fighter, he boxed first. Taylor wasn't a physical fighter.

'nard's success these days depends on matchups. Put him in with a young, physical fighter he's done. In fact, I'm not certain he'd beat Chad Dawson. He'd look to counter Chad and would probably knock Chad down early, but I wouldn't expect that fight to be any different than what we saw last weekend UNLESS Hopkins decided to play keep away and run out the clock.

Hopkins would be better served waiting for Roy to KO Trinidad than to fight a younger guy.

 

Pavlik has very good power but Hopkins has an amazing defense and a granite chin, and has already been in w/ punchers like Echols (2x), Roy Jones, Trinidad and has never been remotely hurt (at least from what I've seen) or dropped aside from his first pro fight. Plus Pavlik does not strike me as a one punch KO artist and I think Pavlik would have to hit Hopkins A LOT to hurt him, and I don't see Pavlik hitting Hopkins as much as he did Taylor.

I agree with you that Pavlik has a lot better workrate however which would allow him do to a lot better.

 

Hopkins looked like an old fighter to me against Winky. I'd pick not only Pavlik, but Dawson, Calzaghe, and Kessler all to beat Bernard decisively.

 

agreed:bears:

 

Bernard still has his excellent defensive abilities and granite chin. He also has many tricks in the bag. Bernard has suprised us many times. Don't be suprised if he suprises us again. Nothing is certain with Hopkins.

 

Maybe it's me but I never thought Hopkins had "great" defense. His defense these days is walking away from you. That's not defense, that's playing keep away.

One thing I've ALWAYS said about how good a guys defense is, is to look at his nose. If you have a guy with a flat nose or the bridge of his nose flattens out over time, that's a CLEAR indication the guy can't stop a jab.

Look at Mosley's nose...flat. Look at Hopkins nose...flat.

Compare that with Roy Jones's nose, Oscar's nose or Floyd's nose...better yet...Ali's nose vs Joe Frazier.

That's a tell-tale sign of how good a guy is defensively.

 

B-Hop couldnt beat Pavlik at this stage.

 

Hopkins looked pretty horrible in his last fight, it's just Wright had no bussiness at 170 and looked even worse. Hopkins looks old, BECAUSE HE IS. He really should get out soon.

 

Yeah I agree that Hopkins nose has clearly been broken but he was a different fighter then. Hopkins is nowhere near the fighter he was when he first started. Hopkins used to be a face first brawler who tried to knock guys out.

Now, I don't know when Hopkins damaged his nose but the way he fights now I don't think its likely it was recent.

I still think Hopkins has very good defense. The nose is a tell tale sign but not the only one. You mentioned Oscar's nose. Oscars nose is perfect but do you really think he has a better defense than Hopkins? Maybe you do but I don't to be honest. Oscar gets hit way more than Bernard from what I've seen.

Bernard does use his feet to get out of range, which I guess can be looked at as running away. But he still keeps his hands up (for the most part) and picks off shots even when he's fighting in close which is pretty hard.

Plus, a lot of fans thought Wright's workrate would give Hopkins problems but it didn't. He completely shut Wright's offense down by the late rounds. Wright was above his best fighting weight of course, but it was impressive IMO nonetheless.

 

Wink's workrate didn't give Hopkins problems because Bernard was either hugging him or 10 feet away from him. Hopkins simply refuses to engage, comes in looking at the floor with his head down, throws a punch or two and grabs you. That is not defense. Under that guise, John Ruiz and Hatton are great defensive fighters.

Regarding Oscar, I'd invite you to go back and watch the Mayweather fight again (don't listen to Lampley or Slyampley (I'm convinced Sly is Jim's Britandaian brother)...that was one of Oscar's better defensive fights in YEARS. he blocked a TON of Mayweather's shots. Floyd was given credit for shots which CLEARLY hit Oscar's gloves. Floyd got in clean shots in the later rounds, but there were entire rounds where you CLEARLY see Oscar's gloves moving but not his head. That's a CLEAR sign that he's blocking and/or parrying shots.

Oscar has always been good at blocking shots. He's always been a very capable defensive fighter. Oscar has gotten hit more because he's been willing to stick his neck in there more.

Even when Hopkins and Oscar fought, neither guy did much of anything. Hopkins slightly stepped on the gas in the 8th and 9th then Oscar found a comfy spot on the canvas to lay down on.