Pavlik vs Bernard Hopkins. Who wins?

Hopkins would counter him all night long. Bernard is too hard to hit cleanly and always has his chin tucked. Kelly can be countered because his punches are so long, that there's a split second aftter he throws that he is WIDE open.
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RECALL DEPAKOTE

 

The Hopkins of 2001 would counter him all night, B-Hop's workrate is shit nowadays and its not by choice. Its because he's old as hell and can only fight in spurts. Thats not enough to beat Pavlik who can keep a high workrate, and is very strong and physical.

 

IMO the Hopkins that fouught Tito would take Pavlik apart.
I'm not sure if Pavlik would even be able to set himself in order to throw that many punches.

 

I'd pick Hopkins. Pavlik can only beat guys he can consistently hit and hurt and Hopkins would be neither of those because of an outstanding chin and defense. Pavlik's skills are below average and so is his speed. Also Hopkins is going to be plowing in with his head, holding and hitting and doing all kinds of things to disrupt Pav's rhythm. He wins this just off of experience.

Pavlik is going to be in trouble whenever his next fight goes to the cards against a guy he couldn't hurt.

 

The Hopkins that fought Tito is not the Hopkins of 2007. Not sure why people keep bringing up the past in this thread. We're talking about today's old Hopkins, not the Hopkins of old.

 

Yes, unless Father time has something to say about it.

Hopkins is far too elusive and smart to be nailed consistently by slow Pavlik, PLUS he has a chin made of cast Iron.

I like Hopkins by domination.

 

I dont know what Hopkins you've been watching for the past 2 years, but father time HAS caught up to him.

Hopkins throwing 10 punches a round, and grabbing like Ruiz wouldnt cut it against Pavlik.

If you pick Hopkins, you'd be wrong.... AGAIN.

 

Last time I checked that fight was 6 years ago. Hopkins is a shell of the fighter he was in the Tito fight.

 

I'd favor Pavlik at 160. Hopkins wouldn't match Pavlik's early rounds pace and Pavlik wouldn't gas out like Taylor still be strong in the later rounds. Hopkins is no longer the Hopkins of 2001 (no matter how many times folks seem to want to bring that up). Hopkins' defense is no longer what it used to be, he doesn't have the stamina to "give and take" with Pavlik and he doesn't have the power to discourage Pavlik. To me, it all adds up to a clear Pavlik win with Hopkins having some moments and occasionally making Pavlik look bad.

 

I don't get why folks keep bring up Hopkins-Trinidad.:dunno:

 

looking back, i really can't see how hopkins struggled against taylor. he's simply not very good.

i'm curious to find out if taylor will ever beat a good fighter again. well, not sure if he's actually beaten a good middleweight in his career considering i thought he lost both times to hopkins and clearly lost to wright. shit, i thought stinks beat him.

 

Agreed.

And the problem is, for Hopkins to employ a smothering, mauling strategy at THIS stage of his career (and age) opens him up to Pavlik's strength and huge shots underneath.

People are really over-stating Hopkins. Bernard is OLD - and it HAS CAUGHT UP TO HIM.

There is a reason he fights in scarce bursts, looks to stay outside then clinch inside; and has to calculate his workrate to ensure he's got something left for the final rounds.

Hell, when Wright pushed him and Hops had to engage and exchange in spots....it was the first time I've seen Bernard with his mouth open.

And he couldn't control Winky nearly as much in the clinches as I thought he would have.

Hops is a brilliant tactician and that's what helped him dominate Tarver and stay on as long as he has....but that can only take you so far against a young bulldozer who WON'T CARE IF HE LOOKS BAD, but will just keep on coming, swinging, and bullying.

I think Hops would make Pavlik look bad in spots, but I think Kelly's relentless pressure would eventually wear out Hopkins, as would his power.

You can't count Hopkins out given how smart he is - but saying he'll win by domination to me is a stretch - and bringing up the Hopkins of 2001 is irrelevant.

Peace.

 

Well he said Pavlik Vs Hopkins.
He never said when or right now. He said old warrior.
At the time when Hopkins fought Tito , he already was an old warrior so you can see why its brought up.

If they fought at 168 right now , I pick Hopkins.
However draining back down to 160 at this age , I think would effect Hopkins Tremedously and there would be a late fight stamina issue.

 

Dunno, man...it seemed pretty obvious to me that since it's not in the MM forum that we are talking about the fighters as of right now. The original poster didn't say 2001 Hopkins vs. Pavlik.

In any event...Hopkins vs. Trinidad in 2001 is totally irrelevant to a match-up in 2007.

 

EGGxactly!

 

Kelly Pavlik is as big as and stronger than Antonia Tarver. Throw in a punch and some balls and its hardly a cakewalk for our Bernie.

 

I disagree respectfully. Hopkins didn't have problems with WInky's workrate because he did a good job of smothering his shots and he was making Winky miss with his head and shoulder movement. I've never really seen anybody make Winky miss as much as Hopkins did especially Winky's jab which wasn'r really a factor in the fight at all. To add, Hopkins still has pretty good reflexes for a guy his age.

Even Taylor qhen questioned about the Hopkins rematch said Hopkins is just a difficult fighter to hit clean. Oscar just gets hit more cleanly than Hopkins does. Its pretty obvious.

As far as Oscar is concerned, I didn't say Oscar's defense was horrible but I just don't think its as good as Hopkins which was my point, not even close IMO. I agree, he did a good job in the Mayweather fight as he did pick off a lot of shots that Mayweather did get credit for ( I've even mentioned this myself actually in another thread a couple of months back) but generally he's not as good as Hopkins IMO. Hopkins can do what Oscar does, but he also moves his head more and isn't as much a stationary target as Oscar is.

 

I favor Pavlik at any weight. I don't know what people were watching in the Hopkins-Wright fight. I watched Hopkins look very old that night. Luckily for him Winky's stamina at 170 sucked and he was visibly soft and gassed rather early. Hopkins wasn't very good that night though, he wasn't nearly as quick or sharp as he used to be and his workrate sucked to.

 

everything people thought taylor was bringing to beat hopkins, pavlik actually brings.