I pick Tyson early. I just don't think Louis could take the assault which would be something like he has never seen before
Yeah, and Tyson fighting Trevor Berbick and Bonehugger Smith would prepare him for Louis? :: This fight would be tough for both guys. Tyson didn't like guys who fought back, and Louis didn't like to be crowded. Louis was knocked down 10 times in his career and out twice, getting off the canvas to stop his opponent most of the time. Tyson was knocked down only three or four times, but he was knocked out five times, and quit three times. Louis's two knockout losses both came after extreme beatings. Because of a stylistic problem, he ate overhand rights all night long against Max Schmeling, and was badly hurt round after round, until the clever Schmeling finally put him away. His other KO loss came when he was old and balding, when Rocky Marciano knocked him out of the ring and into retirement.
Very embarrasing statement from someone who's so quick to criticize others. Stick to trolling aimlessly and leave the boxing to the rest of us.
Um, like Schmeling was some bum? Schmeling was a hell of a fighter and a hell of a heavyweight. His record against real heavyweight champions as well as HOFers from other divisions is much better than Mike's. I agree with Zac; Louis beats Tyson but not in 13...I'd say more like 9 or 10.
My statement loses context within the quote. I said that Tyson wasn't that much better than Schmeling. Tyson was clearly better, but he was very flawed, and unlike Schmeling, he never beat a truly great fighter. Both suffered five knockout losses, but each man was only knocked out once in their respective primes, against Max Baer for Schmeling and against Buster Douglas for Mike Tyson. Interestingly, both men quit. Tyson quit against Holyfield, Williams and McBride; and Schmeling quit in a fight against Larry Gains, in a fight where Schmeling entered the ring with a bad infection. His TKO loss to Max Diekmann came on a cut suffered in the first round. He suffered a third knockout loss to Billy Daniels, but it's very difficult to compare Schmeling as a young man struggling to survive in inter-war Germany with Tyson growing up in an easy, middle-class household. Once Schmeling came to America and was able to have his hand operated on, he was able to make a solid run in the heavyweight division, and was only knocked out once in the next decade or so. Tyson never beat a fighter in his prime as talented as Joe Louis or Jack Sharkey, and it's really only Tyson's incredible performances against no-hopers that has people ranking him above Schmeling.
Louis was stationary as hell, easy to hit, and had an average chin. Mike would have blasted the shit outta him in easy fashion. I fail to see how Louis handles Mike. Louis was smaller than Mike, wouldnt enjoy a big edge in height or reach, and Louis didnt clinch on the inside. All that adds up The Brown China bomber looking up at the lights in less than 3-4 rounds.
Joe Louis fought in 26 title fights, plus another five against future or former World Champions. He was knocked down 10 times, but he was only seriously hurt twice in his career. If you'd seen the first Schmeling fight, you wouldn't be saying that Louis has an average chin. You haven't seen that fight, right?
Oh, it seems we have another Tyson nuthugger. Guess what? Tyson couldn't handle adversity. He was a frontrunner. Any time someone with a bit of skill fought back against Tyson, Tyson lost.
Of course Ive seen the fight! They play it on ESPN classic a few times a year! Perhaps I'm being a bit harsh on Joe's chin. I'm not trying to make it seem like it was Tommy Morrison bad or anything, but I dont think it could hold up under Tyson's power. And its not just the power, but the SPEED as well. To beat Tyson, you had to either tie him up, or push him back, or BOTH. Louis wouldnt be strong enough to push him back, and Louis wasnt a clincher. And say what you will about Tyson, but Mike had one HELLUVA chin and it took many rounds of sustained beating to bring him down. Louis wouldnt be around long enough to do so. I know Louis based on accomplishments was GREATER than Tyson, but based on styles, Mike goes through him.
Try paying attention to it for once, instead of posting on the internet while it's on in the background. If you had actually watched that bout, you wouldn't be saying ANYTHING about Louis's chin. He took as sustained a beating as Tyson did against Douglas or Holyfield. That was the last time he was seriously hurt for the next 15 years. Based on what are you saying that he couldn't take Tyson's power? Really? Then how come Buster Douglas beat Tyson with the jab and straight combination punches? Come on. You should know better. Stylistically, you beat a quick fighter with combination punching, like Vernon Forrest against Shane Mosley. Tyson had a good chin, but when did his good chin ever win him a fight? When did it ever hold up against as murderous a puncher as Joe Louis? The only time he showed a good chin was when he was getting slowly beaten down. When he got really nailed against Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis, his offense simply shut down. Really? Then why didn't Shane Mosley beat Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright? Why didn't Zab Judah beat Carlos Baldomir? Why didn't Howard Davis beat Jim Watt? Combination punching beats speed every day.
I think Tyson runs into problems when Louis's shorter shots start cutting in line on his hooks. After two or three rounds, Tyson does what he ALWAYS did against EVERYONE. He starts loading up big shots, Louis's unreal speed in combination takes over...fight.
Where did Xplosive go? He put me in his sig - as if that would bother me - and then ran like a bitch. He hasn't put forth any rational argument, and he doesn't seem capable of continuing this discussion. Too bad.
Tyson would lose. Tyson gained his fame blowing out many overmatched fighters, but lost to the better ones. When a decent fighter came in confident, and actually fought back, Tyson folded. Joe would take him into deep waters, and murder him. Just like many others did to him.
Even if Joe Louis was 50, he wouldn't have quit in his corner against Kevin McBride. Louis never quit anything in his life, unfortunately.
So you want me to validate picking Tyson? Fine. Louis was a pocket fighter with great power in both hands. Good shot selection but very poor footwork. Not a glass chin, but could be rocked by even modest punchers. He liked to counter and be planted to unleash his vicious combinations. Tyson would come at Louis and was the larger man with faster hands. His head movement and ability to get inside would take away the Brown Bomber's ability to sit on punches. Not only would Mike be able to land more punches but he'd be able to absorb them better than Louis could withstand Tyson's bombs. As good as Joe's technique was he'd be simply overwhelmed and outgunned.
Glass chin? He went 15 years without a knockout loss, and was only knocked out twice in his career. Mike Tyson quit THREE TIMES. Chin isn't that meaningful when you don't have heart. That's what body work is for. That's what combinations are for. You have a simplistic view of boxing. Whenever someone fought back against Tyson, Tyson's offense simply shut down. NO ONE shut down Louis's offense. Yes, he was knocked down 10 times in his career, but he was only in serious trouble twice in his career, after taking sustained beatings against Max Schmeling and Rocky Marciano. Again, NO ONE shut down Louis's offense. Louis faced huge hitters, 220-to-280-pound men like Max and Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, Tony Galento and Primo Carnera. When Louis faced someone with a big punch and a will to win, he fought back and knocked the other guy out. When Tyson faced someone with a big punch and a will to win, he quit.
You missed quite a few points and not by accident. I never said Louis had a glass chin, i said he could be hurt by modest punchers. Louis never faced anyone even approaching Tyson's punching power let alone ability to put them together. Whenever someone fought back against Tyson, Tyson's offense simply shut down. Myth. Typical "if you stood up to Tyson and fought back he would fold" nonsese. Ruddock didn't back down and hit Tyson with some shots that would have sent a lot of guys flying out of the ring. (including Louis) Even in his losses to Holyfield and Douglas he kept coming. He dropped Douglas with a vicious uppercut that set him on his ass late in the fight. Tony Galento? :: I thought you would be smarter than to bring up that guy. A beer bellied amateruish bar brawler? Even he sat Joe on his pants. Carnera? Big guy, no skills to speak of. Louis wasn't the first guy to knock that lump over either. Those guys were big. They had nothing in common with Tyson other than being larger opponents. Louis is number 2 all time on my list if greatest heavyweight fighters ever. He still loses to Tyson head to head.
