Who still thinks Pacquiao is #1 pfp over Floyd?

exactly, and even at that, he was 150 for his last fight, and maybe a lb. or two heavier on fight night. Floyd walks around barely higher than that weight. Hell for that, he was less than 10 lb. heavier than Pac was by the time he (Pac) stepped in the ring for the Barrera rematch.

 

pac's last 6 opponents:

barrera - old/shot
solis - unproven pretender
morales - completely shot. 1-3 in last 4 outings
larios - shot
morales - nearly shot. 1-2 in last 3 outings
velasquez - a C level battle worn club fighter

floyd's last 6:

oscar - title holder at 154 although clearly past his prime
baldomir - real champ at 147
judah - recent undisputed champ at 147 although coming off a loss
mitchell - no excuses here. he was shot
gatti - title holder at 140, coming off some good wins, but obviously battle worn
corley - former world champion with only two losses. decent challenge considering floyd's first fight at 140.

with an exception of his bout against oscar, floyd simply dominated all of the above.

 

I think Floyd fought Bruseles after Corley. but even adding him and keeping corley, manny's 7th fight --- was the Morales loss, which everyone conveniently seems to leave out when speaking of his two knockout wins over Morales.

 

Barrera and Morales would have to die to drop to the level of Gatti or Mitchell.
Judah and DLH weren´t exactly riding winning streaks either.

 

Maybe we should just make #1 vacant (for those who keep P4P lists, that is). After all, Floyd basically claimed it by default. I don't think anyone's done much of anything in the past few years to try and snatch it.

But in the spirit of claiming SOMEONE as the best, Floyd is still #1 and either needs to lose, or for Pac to once and for all beat JMM in order for that to change anytime soon.

 

and here the other version...

Gatti, held a paperbelt due to his name recognition, but has always been a D level fighter "Quote PBF", a shot D level fighter at that, who was later destroyed by a contender bum in similar fashion.

Mitchell, a completely shot 140 pounder, Floyd chose for his 147 pound debut.

Judah, an overrated chinless 140 pound kid with the attention span of a three year old, who receives numerous title shots, because he is seen as an easy target, due to his power he accidentally won a bout against Spinks. Before Floyd could impressively defeat him, Carlos Baldomir did it, and actually without getting dropped or losing five rounds.

Baldomir, the realest champ with only 12 losses.

DLH, the part time boxer, part time drag queen, who hasn´t won a real bout in FOUR years.

 

Sorry Joony, I think I like El Terrible's version better::

Ok, so IF Ricky beats Floyd, does that make him P4P king? And if it does, who is P4P the better clincher, Ricky or Ruiz?

 

jooney doesn't know boxing at all. he should stick to ping pong

 

if calzaghe beats kessler, i'd put him at #2.

 

so in turn do you put Kessler there after he KO's Calzaghe?

 

Sure if it means not putting Pacquiao there

 

I agree::

 

:eeeek: I love you!!! ,...:bears: :bears: :bears: ....fuck yeah! ..~Post of the year~ ^^ NOW THIS!! is the fucken REALITY. Still, ever since Roy Jones had his reign, his leap-frogging ex-groupies seem to have aquired the divine right to annoint who holds the top position and when.

 

Ricky hasn't a hope of beating Floyd. He sucks at 147. No extra power, lots of extra lard.

 

notice how I capitolized "IF"?:: I agree with you. It was a rhetorical question.

 

Wow I didn't know so many people hated Pacquiao.

When you watch him fight, you get a sense that he is not going to lose. He's not just the best non-Floyd mayweather calibur fighter in the world, he's a guy who fights EVERYONE and has lost once since hitting the radar, in a fight that he was headbutted and cut in for the first time in his career, and which he avenged with back to back KO victories.

Who is going to beat Pacquiao?...his skills and accomplishments to and including this point are enough to have him top two, and if Floyd loses to Hatton and he beats Marquez(again) for example, this talk of him being #1 will not be in error IMO.

Right now it is because Floyd is just incredible, but I don't think Manny is too far behind him as a class of fighter. He's got good power, incredible hand and footspeed, a solid chin, outrageous stamina, etc...

 

have you not seen his fight vs agapito?

 

that fight was stopped, Pacquiao had to go ahead and fight the whole 12 with morales. The entire time you can see him dabbing at his eyes during the action against Morales. It was blatant that that affected him, and he immediately erased the circumstances by starching Morales twice.

 

yea when morales was shot as if he wasn't the first time they fought.

 

but how does that change the fact that it wasn't the first time in his career that he was headbutted and cut?

 

Well I think of it like I would the Gainer/Marquez fight. You wouldn't say that Gainer fought through a bad cut in that fight.

I should've been more explicit, I meant he hadn't had to fight with a bad cut before...and like I say, the tape shows how much the blood in his eyes affected him, and in an immediate rematch he won handily.

 

ok, that makes sense.

so the blueprint for beating pacquiao: headbutt him hard enough to draw blood, but not to where the fight is stopped.

Got it. Thanks.

 

:: and then be able to take the fire he's gonna throw at you, step up in spite of that, and do enough damage to win (ala Morales)...

P4P to me is asking who is the best fighter in the world as far as being at the peak, and using accomplishments in the relative time span if there is gray area.

Tyson wasn't P4P #1 in '88 because his resume was otherworldly, it was because nobody thought he was gonna lose. Same with Tommy Hearns in '81. Its not that much of a stretch for me to say "who could beat Pacquiao" and rate him high because of his talents

 

Yes the idiot Morales didn´t stick to the game plan in the rematch. Outbox Manny for seven rounds, then a headbutt and coast the rest of the way. Unfortunately Morales was shot and he couldn´t get the message from his brain to his head in time. :doh:

 

Manny's biggest problem is that he suffers from "balance of Mr. Magoo" syndrome where every punch that even close to lands on him sends him flying because of his poor balance. The punches he gets hit with often look alot better than they are IMO because of his reactions to them (looking like he gets hurt, which I noticed late in the 2nd barrera fight when Manny was against the ropes) Originally I thought he had been hurt, but when they showed the replay he got hit with a good right hand, and his body shifted, but a split second later he was putting his weight into the shot "on balance"

 

manny fought to a draw against marquez. whether you think he won or not, it was a highly disputed fight.

so a guy knocks down a fighter 3 times in the first round and gets outboxed for the remainder. hardly the qualities of a supposed best fighter in the world.

pacquiao is very good. his matchmaking has been great. he might even be a great fighter, but that won't be known until he beats a top fighter again (which he hasnt done since beating barrera in 2003).

 

good post, my only thought against it is that if he beats JMM again, will the excuses of JMM isn't what he used to be come out?

 

first of all if Manny beats JMM it would the first time he does it.

second after their first fight the only with excuses was Manny. Let's not forget the cheap socks fiasco.:laughing:

If Manny beats JMM it will be the first champion he beats since Ledwaba at 122:laughing:

JMM beat Barrera right before manny did and was koing his oponents before that. JMM might be older but he hasn't lost his step.

I blame Barrera for not taking risks against Pacquiao last weekend. But Manny still doesn't show me much variety. JMM cans till handle this one dimensional fool. :blobbox:

 

jmm is past it, but he's still in the elite class. i'll give manny credit if he wins. still, arent you guys tired of seeing him fight the same guys over nad over? if not, he's still fighting mexicans.

 

Manny fighting Marquez again is fine with me.

I didn't care much for the matchup a few days ago. That was sort of a throwaway fight, IMO.

But there's a lot of quality guys @ 130 and I don't care to see Pacquiao fight David Diaz @ 135. Pac fighting guys like Soto, Valero (overseas or if he can get a license in the US), Guzman, etc....are far more interesting to me.