The JMM rematch is the absolute worst big fight Pacquiao could take

I would rather see Pacquiao in with the following:

Valero
Juan Diaz
Soto/Guzman winner

I guess I would take the Marquez rematch over Pacquiao/David Diaz... but I'll still be disappointed as hell when the fight is eventually announced.

I wanna see Pacquiao in with the best from TODAY... not last week.

 

I wouldn't mind a JMM rematch, but there are better more fan friendly fights to be made right now. Pac vs Juan Diaz would be a great fight and a war.

 

disagree

there is no proof that Soto, Guzman or Valero are any better than even this version of JMM

Soto is still largely unproven

Guzman has looked like crap since his move to 130....can he even make 130 anymore?

Valero is the most intriguing but unless they plan on making this in SE Asia then JMM is still the biggest fish to fry for Manny

 

Marquez is STILL an ELITE Fighter, Steve-Dave:dunno: ...

Sure, He's OLDER than the Names U've Mentioned, but REED has NO Problems w/Pac-Marquez II Whatsoever...Not even 2 Years AFTER the Fact, as U Noted in Another Thread...

U're Speaking as if Marquez is OLD & Coming Off of a LOSS or Something...The Guy is STILL a Viable Opponent & Based on what REED Saw Out of Manny N the RE w/Barrera, Marquez has a GOOD Chance of BEATING Pac...

To REED, All U Can Ask is that a Guy Face an Opponent he's NOT GUARANTEED to Beat...There's NO Guarantee that Manny BEATS JM Marquez....


REED

 

Those are all questions that can be answered if fights with Manny Pacquiao are made. I don't know about you, but I'm ready for some new blood. If Pacquiao fights Marquez, his last three big fight opponents will be guys who peaked in the late 90s. Not to say they weren't still good fighters, as JMM is... but I wanna start seeing the new guys. The unknowns. I'm getting tired of the Pacquiao retirement tour.

 

not yet

this needs to be resolved IMO before Manny and JMM can write out the rest of their careers IMO. There is so much controversy in the first fight that regardless of it's age its something that needs to be settled.

Guzman Soto et al can afford to wait, JMM can't and I would rather see a fight with JMM now while he still has something left than a fight later on like the one that happened with Barrera.


let me add

I would pick JMM over all three of those guys hands down. I don't think Guzman would be able to get JMM to engage enough, I think JMM simply outboxes Valero perhaps catching him late, Soto would be the darkhorse as his power is something JMM hasnt seen since Manny I.

 

I just wanna see Pacquiao in there with a top fighter in his prime.

 

Somehow I'm suddenly bored of Manny Pacquaio. Who cares who he fights next? JMM is as good as anyone, IMO.

The big fights, in boxing, centre around the Welterweight and Middleweight divisions.....

 

So Does REED...

"However"...

REED REALLY Wants Manny to SETTLE the Score w/Marquez...REED HATES Draws...


REED

 

I don't know...

In my eyes, Pacquiao won the first fight really clearly... and all he's done since is add facets to his game. He's added a hook, feints... he's more of a thinker. He's gotten better as was evidenced in his progress between the first and second Morales fight. He's not the "one trick pony" that he was in 2004. Meanwhile, Marquez has lost a step and has become more of a banger.

I honestly don't give Marquez much of a chance at all.


I gotta go for supper, I'll be back later to argue some more. ::

 

That's fair.

I'm just saying... IMO, anyway... in the ring, the fights I mentioned are all better fights. I don't know how much fight JMM really has left.

 

I had 8-4 JMM 113-112 in score so I think other than the 1st round he dominated Manny so IMO this is a fight that needs resolution and what better time now than both coming off wins over Barrera

 

I'm mad because you aren't seeing this exactly the same way I am.

 

I go back and forth on this. On one hand I agree that the JMM fight is largely unsettled and Pac will always be reminded of it if he doesn't get the rematch. But Steve-Dave's point is hard to ignore, the longer that PAC keeps fighting yesteryear's champions the more fights of todays best we miss.

 

:bears:

 

its ok you can just me here and I will ban you at Max

 

Deal.

 

I totally disagree with you steve_dave. JMM is an incredible fighting machine IMHO and is the fight Manny has to pursue right now. JMM might be slightly passed his best but he has more technical tools than Manny, while Manny has more physical advantages over him. Factor in their first fight and you have a no brainer, this fight has to be made. It's still as intriguing as the first time.

 

Exactly, Im fucking tired of the same little clique always fighting the same guys over and over again. I wouldnt mind a Pac-Marquez fight if both were clearly at the top of the division, but, at the moment, theres too many guys who just need an opportunity (Soto, Guzman, John who already beat JMM no matter the contreversy but he may be at 126, dont remember, Valero,...) to make a name for themselves.

 

Pacquiao/JMM 2 needs to happen now. Hell it should have happened instead of the MAB/Pacquiao rematch. I understand the politics and financial reasons but it needs to happen now.

Valero, Guzman, and Soto are less proven.

Only fight I would understand right now over JMM is the Juan Diaz fight. But I don't see that happening now either.

I think JMM provides a better fight than what MOrales and MAD could. He will still box carefull but will bang when he needs to like he did in the first fight.

The difference is he is hungrier than those two and needs this fight badly. So pacquiao will get a hard fight from JMM regardless.

I have a bad feeling that if Soto beats Guzman that's the fight Arum will make. It's just easier for him to make and with the bullshit "revenge his brothers loss" excuse.:doh:

 

He beats Marquez ass and people on here will hate and say he beat an old man bla bla bla,Pacman can't win either way I say he should do whatever he wants because either way he's going to get hated on................like Mayweather.

 

The thing is, is that Pac should have fought Marquez instead of fighting MAB. Then we wouldn't be having this discussion. I agree the Marquez fight needs to happen because it hurts Pac's career while in my eyes has helped Marquez's. So let Pac take this fight then he can either take on the new up and comers or move up to 135. I'll Holla 5000

 

You are a prophet sir.

THe first Marquez fight, without a blatant scoring error, and severe incompetence was a Pacquiao victory. He should use his status to infuse watchers with new blood.

Oh and REED, since you love you some RJJ, you can't possibly talk shit about people taking easy fights in between big ones. cmon now...

 

Who's "Talking Shit"???:dunno:

REED Responded to a Post Saying Manny "Deserved" an Easy Fight Cause he Had NATHAN But TOUGH Fights Back to Back...

REED was Pointing Out that Manny INDEED Squeezed In his Fair Share of Bouts Against LESS than ELITE Opposition, btwn BIG Fights...

HOW is that "Talking Shit" ???


REED

 

Pacman will get schooled

 

I agree with the sentiment, steve_dave. But until the best of the rest start fighting one another (and Guzman-Soto is a GREAT starting point), Pac-JMM II needs to happen next. I'm probably the biggest Guzman apologist on the board, but... he fought Jauregui and Barrios at 130 after doing nothing at all at 126. One notable win alone doesn't send him straight to the top (the Juaregui win meaning very little in the grand scheme of things). Not when Marquez trumped that win in his last fight AND has history with Pac. Not to mention he looked far better against their one common opponent - the almighty Terdsak ::

 

Absolutely. At the very least, Marquez/Pac II should have been Oct 6th.

 

I hope Soto beats Guzman. I've been pretty big on Soto for a while now... but Guzman has the kind of style that should give him a ton of trouble.

Soto/Pacquiao would be an awesome fight.

 

agREED

 

Weird, as I'm actually more worried about Guzman's chances in this one. He's coming off of a 14-month layoff by the time the first bell rings. That's a hell of a lot of ring-rust for his preferred style of fighting these days.

Once upon a time, I was hyped for a Pac-Soto fight. But the more I think on it (and esp. after seeing Soto fight Pac's brother), I think Manny beats the brakes off of him.