A massive night of boxing is shaping up in Cancun, Mexico on Saturday, December 15, 2007 when WBA Super Featherweight Champion Edwin Valero and WBC Featherweight Champion Jorge Linares co-headline a high octane fight card billed as "Night of Champions: Iron Fists", promoted by Jose Gomez with support by the Mexican state of Qunitana Roo and it's Governor, Licenciado Felix Gonzalez Canto. <!-- m -->http://www.fightbeat.com/news_details.php?NW=20673
i like valero, but he needs to stop fighting these bums. if i were him, i'd call out the winner of guzman-soto for a fight in mexico.
Atzeca as in the TV station? If that's what you meant... well, the show is PPV, so if it ends up on TV Azteca, it will be a week later
Well Valero can't fight, period. So what difference does it make where this joker is allowed to "box?", and I use the term loosely.
I have discussed this subject extensively here before, RJ. I think I may have hurt a few folks' feelings that were told that he was a good fighter by someone that has never boxed before, and after reading my stuff, a lot of them agreed with me. Valero in terms of skill and technique is a novice golden glover with zero balance. He can hit well and has fast hands, but doing two things good and the rest bad dosen't make you a good fighter, which he is not.
Manny has shored his defense up a lot and dosen't overextend off-balance nearly as bad he used to, and is not near as reckless as he once was as he showed in the MAB return. I guess he has finally learned to pay attention to Roach in the gym, or Roach has finally taken time off from training other fighters to spend time with him to show him how to actually box. Valero has never had anyone that knows the fundamentals well to pass it onto him, or else he just does his own thing that he feels comfortable with and his trainers let him go with it.
He does have good fundementals. When he fights bums who don't belong he goes crazy to get them out of there.
When he was in the states, he had great training and showed excellent fundamentals. Now that he's overseas so much, his trainers can't come out to train him and his current team is not very good. He's buying into his own sideshow attraction. The longer he is not allowed to fight in the states, the less of a chance he has to getting back with his old team.
I respectfully disagree. Part of what makes Manny good is the unorthodox way he fights and lures people into giving up openings that tehy wouldn't otherwise. There are countless fighters in history that were severely unorthodox but had the kind of talent to call themselves great. I dont know who you are or what your beef is with Valero, but nobody with a 100% KO percentage with a world championship can be called "not a good fighter." Have you ever boxed in your life? Because if you have, you know there are many different styles and ways to be successful, and with Valero's power/style he finds guys chins and does extreme damage. With more than 100 years of boxing history to study, surely you can see that purely orthodox and textbook technique means nothing in the face of fighting someone better. Ask any of Roy Jones' opponents if he was a "good fighter" or not, or ask any of Manny Pacquiao's opponents, or Henry Armstrong's, or Marciano's...etc. Edwin Valero is an exciting undefeated guy, who became famous originally for the overwhelming "skill" he displayed at a young age, and more recently for the absolute asswhippings he puts on people. He is a very good fighter, to say the least.
Karl was a boxing champion in the military, and he even beat up Juan Diaz http://www.fightbeat.com/article_detail.php?AT=288
well not to be condescending but that leaves two conclusions. He either has an extreme inferiority complex, or boxing has left its toll with his mind. Edwin Valero, an undefeated champion, can not possibly be "not a good fighter." If he has boxed people he knows that pure by the book fundamentals are not the most important things in the sport.
OK, I am only going to address this cheap shot and insult in typing once as I have never heard of this poster here before. Yes, I have boxed including several world champions, and I am still quite capable. I sparred with Rolando Navarette for four days in his camp for the Alexis Arguello fight, and I beat a guy that was a real good pro lightweight from Ohio, Al Carter. Since you decided to make these unsubstantiated and false allegations in a boxing only forum here without identifying yourself or your own boxing record, I am going to leave it at that and tell you don't push it here, not in this forum or you are going to be gone most likely from here very soon. There are other forums for drivel like yours in Smacktalk, keep your comments to boxing only discussion here.
That's bullshit, Karl. He just didn't think you should be calling an undefeated WBA world champion (sound familiar?) a bad fighter. You did nothing wrong here myelmers, carry on.
well If this were true two things would happen. 1) You wouldn't be taking a cheap shot at an undefeated world champion with a 100% KO ratio. 2) Your name would be listed on boxrec if you had pro experience. Since neither of these things are true, I dont understand how you could degrade a world champion who beat a very game Vicente Mosquera in his backyard, by KO no less, and who has done nothing but annihilate everything put in front of him. If your "experience" is limited to amateur contests/sparring, you will surely notice that Valero became famous for his sparring people in Southern California (people like Erik Morales) and being so impressive that he got hype before turning pro. I just can't comprehend someone calling Valero "not a good fighter", and furthermore providing no argument for it.
Yes he sure as hell did do something wrong saying I had an inferiority complex and brain damage in a boxing only discussion. I am going to keep it cool and put this clown on ignore as he would never say that kind of crap to my face Andrew in the ring or on the street. That's my final word on this matter.
If I were you I'd watch who you say things about, you never know who you may be talking to on the internet. How about answering any of the legitmate points that have been brought up in here rather than talking garbage to a complete stranger, is that how things "go around here"?
Im here to discuss boxing. Edwin Valero is a class act who risks his life everytime out. He is also a friend of a friend, so i would hope he would be discussed with respect.
I'd also like to add that no fighter around here is above criticism, and Karl is well within his rights to have the opinion on Valero that he has.
