Dissapointed in Kessler

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  1. Azazel

    Azazel "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Too much cerebral, not enough physical, or, if you prefer, too much of a thinker not enough of a warrior. Kessler could have won saturday night ( and make me 540 dollars), Joe aint the same fighter he was, hes slower and sloppier, but he outhusled Kessler who couldnt find his rythm and thus, threw far too many punches. If he had taken more chances, like he did in the 12th round, or if he had gone after Joe after he tagged him with the right and the uppercut ( around the 4th round). But he waited too much and it seems he cant adjust very well in the ring.
     
  2. Donnybrook

    Donnybrook The Greatest of Are Times

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    Well, that's what it was all about....Calzaghe made excellent adjustments and managed to get Kessler out of his natural rhythm and disrupt his flow...

    He imposed his will and fight style on Kessler.

    Mikkel was able to up his game in spurts and find success...but not consistently enough; and he couldn't maintain it when Calzaghe readjusted and upped the ante again.

    Joe stayed tit-for-tat with him to ensure that even those spurts were hard-earned....and even when sloppy, was effective.

    I think personally that Kessler learned alot from this fight...as he should.

    Peace.
     
  3. StingerKarl

    StingerKarl Ace Degenerate

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    The guy fought his ass of last night, he was just beaten by a great champion is all.
    You are entitled to your opinion, but he took some brutal punches, particularly to the flanks and midsection last night and hung in there with perhaps the greatest European fighter ever.
     
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    Ropadope Undisputed Champion

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    I'd like to see a rematch to see if Kessler learned anything. I disagree with Manny Steward who said that there is no reason for a second fight.
     
  5. Andrew

    Andrew "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I agree somewhat, but Kessler was definitely cautious not to over commit after round 5. Joe hurt him to the body pretty bad a few times.
     
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    mexican wedding shirt The Greatest of Are Times

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    Kessler is NOT a thinker. A thinker adjusts like Calzaghe, Hopkins, and Floyd.

    He is simply robotic and literally has just 1 gear.

    Calzaghe didn't look slow in the slightest, he looked quick, especially his reactions.
     
  7. Double L

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    kessler DID open up in spots, but everytime he did, he'd be gassed. if anything, he needs to work on relaxing a bit more so that he can increase his punch output.
     
  8. Matchup_Analyzer

    Matchup_Analyzer Keyboard Warrior

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    As soon as Calzaghe moves up which should be soon, Kessler will rule 168. He's still young and has accomplished a lot, and is easily the best fighter out of Denmark.
     
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    I thought Kessler adjusted quite a bit and made Calzaghe readjust several times.

    The "one gear" argument is a good one and one I pointed out myself.

    But that and being a thinking fighter aren't mutually exclusive.

    I think Kessler is methodical for a reason - and usually systemically breaks down his opposition. I've seen him adjust his timing, punch selection, footwork, etc. to opponents.

    He did it last night vs. Calzaghe and even went from boxing/counterpunching to leading and brawling. He used short and long shots on the counter, he introduced the uppercut, his left hook rattled Joe a few times...and did a few other things.

    He just didn't do it enough or consistently (hence the 1-gear argument kicks in).

    Don't underrate what Calzaghe did or how tough it was for him to clearly beat Kessler...by his own self-admission.

    I'm not saying he's on par with a Hopkins or Mayweather...but Kessler calculates and thinks.

    There is a reason Calzaghe plainly and immediately stated he did NOT want a rematch....and that's something Kessler is very interested in.

    Monzon and Arguello and Charles are three of the fighters that get alot of recognition for "thinking"....and they were largely very methodical and deliberate in their craft.

    Monzon was extremely "robotic".

    One thing does not equal the other.

    Peace.
     
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    I noticed that as well...he seemed tight.
     
  11. Rabid Kimba

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    Exactly.

    Ever since I first saw Kessler, i said to myself, this guy is strong but robotic as hell.
     
  12. Orthodox Crusader

    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    And, even for all that, Kessler was smart enough to try and reassert himself in the 10th and 12th.

    He knew it was slipping.....and went for it.

    A lot of guys in Kesslers position.....would have just let it go. He didn't.:clap: :clap:


    He'll be back.
     
  13. Orthodox Crusader

    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    He is Monzon. Straight up, tall angular, orthodox, straight-break-you-down punches. He is even mean like Monzon.:clap: Monzon had to ship a few losses before he came good.
     
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    I am disappointed in Azazel for making this topic.
     
  16. Orthodox Crusader

    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Uhhhh....The Danes draw cartoons of the Mohammed Peedo....for me that is tuff nuff fighter.

    As for boxers, they have had quite a few good uns. Kessler is just far and away the best.
     
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    I thought Kessler went to the head way too much. It was like they don't bodypunch in Europe. Even when Calzaghe would just cover his head with his gloves Kessler seemed like he would get confused and pull out of range rather than going low.

    The few times he did go low it looked very effective, and I think with the way he was throwing those few body shots that if he had done it consistently, he would have stopped Joe to the body.
     
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    Yeah because Joe is so weak to the body :lol:
     
  19. Rabid Kimba

    Rabid Kimba "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    :laughing:
     
  20. Orthodox Crusader

    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Or having the most teeth in Cualican.:nono:
     
  21. Orthodox Crusader

    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Since when has a 6'1" stand up fighter destroyed a 5'11" fighter with body shots anyways??:dunno: :dunno:
     
  22. Rabid Kimba

    Rabid Kimba "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Well in this fight it was the OTHER way around.

    Kessler owes that idiotic ref a lot for stopping the action right when Calzaghe was hurting Kessler hard to the body, it looked for a second that Kessler might've taken a knee, but the ref stepped in and warned Calzaghe for some bullshit reason.

    Yeah, "if Kessler had done this, and if Kessler had done that", blah, blah, blah.

    Nice try though.

    :popcorn:
     
  23. Orthodox Crusader

    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    He was rabbit punching ffs.

    Ref was right:nono: :nono:
     
  24. Rabid Kimba

    Rabid Kimba "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    It's Culiacán, you dumbass mick.

    :lol:
     
  25. Orthodox Crusader

    Orthodox Crusader "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    We Europeans kick ass in that part of the world, as a Conquistador, I'll decide what its called. If I want it called Laguna fucking beach, then thats what its called, entiendes, amigo?:nono: :cool:
     
  26. Rabid Kimba

    Rabid Kimba "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    You ain't no Conquistador, you are a mick, lol.

    I have a LOT more Spanish blood than you, Lucky Charms.

    So my ancestors from both sides of the fence (whiteys and injuns ) did the fucking and got fucked.

    Nice try though.

    :lol:
     
  27. Bob N. Weave

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    This is an ignorant post. Nice way to diminish both fighters performances last night. Not enough of a warrior? He was nothing but a warrior in that fight. He did everything he could in thaty fight to win. He was just in against a more experienced, craftier fighter. A fighter that is VERY hard to do well against. Don't be pissed because had a shitty prediction. :shit:
     
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    OC and Rabid...I know it's in jest, but let's leave it there, please.

    :kick: :lol:
     
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