Cases where a fighter had the other guy's number

Glen Johnson had Roid's number

 

perhaps so, but Hearns-Duran is a terrible example. What else has Vernon done BESIDES beat Shane Mosley?

Take away his knocking out Duran, Hearns still has a Hall of Fame career, even with the pair of losses to Barkley.
Take away his two wins over Mosley, Forrest is a complete afterthought, especially with the pair of losses to Mayorga.

See the difference?

 

take away mosley's wins over oscar, mosley's resume isnt that good either.

 

He had a pretty impressive run going on at lightweiht

 

Forrest had been sidelined with injuries for a long time. you KNOW this to be true!!!!!!!!!:nono:

Vernon Twice beat Shane...which is as good as Shane's biggest accomplishment: beating Oscar in the first fight (I thought he lost the rematch). After that Shane has feasted on a SHOT Vargas and not much else.

 

agREED.

 

only because he knocked mother fuckers out. it was hardly hall of fame worthy.

 

He didn't duck anybody though, he reigned in Larry Holmes -manner. hadn't there been a big-money fight at welter, I think he could have build up a formidable record at lightweight

 

Yeah but you agreed with Phonetap, SOLELY, on the basis of Forrest losing to Mayorga by KO. I'm pointing out that with that rational Hearns losing to Barkley by KO should be viewed as the same with respect to him vs Duran.

I'm pointing out that this thought is inconsistent. If you're making a case about the rest of the careers...that's different and we can discuss that...but first revise your bullshit agreeing with tapper on that simplistic point. :kick: :tease:

 

I must say Double, when you're wrong, you're all the way wrong.

Forrest-Mosley is the most clear example in this thread followed by Barkley-Hearns.

 

no its not. But his lightweight reign alone trumps anything else Forrest has accomplished. And his career post-Winky has been more impressive than Forrest's return post-Mayorga and injuries.

In fact:
Shanes pre-welterweight title reign > Vernon's pre-welterweight title reign
Shanes welterweight title reign > Vernon's welterweight title reign
Shane's career best wins > Vernon's career best wins
Shane's career from 2005-present > Vernon's career from 2005-present
Shane's level of comp > Vernon's level of comp
Fighters who beat Shane > Fighters who beat Vernon

There's no getting around it. The only thing Vernon has on Shane is scoreboard. Yet and still, Shane is still the more accomplished/more successful fighter.

 

Vernon is also taller.

 

so you're saying Forrest::Mosley as Barkley::Hearns? :laughing:

even an opinion such as this is laughable. first of all, you imply that Mosley is in the same category as Hearns? then you try to imply that Forrest, an Olympian who'd already beaten Mosley in the amateurs and who was undefeated going into their fights (and viewed as a major threat by the way), is somehow similar to Barkley? :: :: ::

whatever.

 

I don't see what the big deal is about Shane's lightweight tenure. he stopped everyone he faced once he won the title. You could say he didn't fight Stevie Johnson, but ask yourself if you'd rather seen him stay at 135 for another year or move up to fight Oscar.

(Double might be the only guy who would have preferred Shane never fought Oscar. :: )

If anything, the two losses to Forrest are the worst portion of his career. I think the losses to Winky can't be held against him seeing how Wink's shown to be a damn good fighter in his era.

The onliest people who shit on Shane are those who hate on Shane and that includes LieStaff.

 

If you didn't understand what I said, you're reading at a lower level than previously thought.

 

can't we have a discussion about which fighters had which ones' numbers without you getting all sensitive about poor little Shane? ::

Shane's a great fighter. And he'll be remembered as such. But his losses to Forrest were not due to some idiosyncratic stylistic issue. They were due to the fact that Forrest is a more skilled fighter than Mosley. Still, Shane's the better fighter all-time. What's wrong with this assessment?

 

It's not that simplistic, though. Hearns got knocked out by Barkley at middleweight and fairly deep into his career, where he was past his prime.

Vernon got knocked out by Mayorga at his optimal weight, and in the heart of his prime.

On top of all that, you can ALMOST make a case for Barkley being a fringe candidate for the Hall of Fame.

 

Mosley - 2
Oscar - 0

I'm not sensitive.

 

Well, Where's YOUR Round by Round Account of the Fight???:dunno: ...

SPECIFICALLY, which Rounds did YOU GIVE Tarver???:dunno: :dunno: ...

Instead of just Being a Roy HATER, BACK UP your Statement for 1nce...REED had Roy Winning 7 Rounds to 5 AND REED can Back it up w/a Round by Round Account...

So Unless U're Actually Willing to DEBATE the Matter, Move Along...


REED

 

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hey - how about this:

Barkley:Hearns::Mosleye La Hoya?

 

Now that I think about it...

I've had your number as far as posting on boxing boards is concerned. I've dominated you in EVERY conversation we've ever had. In fact, this thread should be merged with the "schoolled" thread because I've schoolled you on a daily basis for several years.

::

 

it's easy to mistake a loss for a victory when you continually refuse to admit you're wrong.

::

 

So THAT's how you talk yourself into coming back everyday.

I always wondered how you did it!

 

I agree. The Bowe of 92 woulda fucked Golota up.

 

The Bowe of '92 struggled with an old fat Tubbs who a prime Tyson wiped out in 2 rounds.

Bowe is one of those fighters who seems to get better and better as the years pass by.:doh:

 

He also gave a prime Holy the worst beatings of his career. A in-shape 92 Bowe kicks Golota's ass Sly! The Bowe who Andrew fought was not only slipping, but he was FAT and totally outta shape in the first fight, and severly underestimated Golota. Hell he even said before the fight "Why do I gotta train to fight a bum?" In the rematch he had OVER-trained, and it showed as he looked spent from the opening round.

 

Jones-Barrera
Phillips-Tszyu

At that time at least

 

so first he didn't train and then against the same guy he overtrained? all of a sudden bowe couldn't train properly? ::

I agree he wasn't at his best but you also have to credit Golotta who was at his best for those fights. Even with the fouls he still showed the best Golota of his carreer.