Good win for Cotto, but one things for sure.....

What surprises will come next?

 

Cotto beat that ass EASYILY. Mosley did nothing but hold on from round four like a squeeling baby and people bitch about Hatton. Jesus.

Shane had a nice right hand and looked to fight in 20 second spurts, trying to cheat his way to a KO. He couldn't handle Miguel at all.

 

I said could have. Different ref and that fight might get stopped in the 2nd or even the 10th. If the same hungry Forrest who showed up in fight 1 fought in the rematch you might have seen it. That's what I mean by could have, as in he had the ability to do it even if he never actually did.

 

Wow, I've read lot's of posts and this is the first time I've heard this point of view.

Really trying to back up that piece you wrote hunh?

 

Easily :laughing:

 

Backing up my piece? Nice to know you read it, but the fight went pretty much as expected. WHat wasn't expected, was that Shane would be allowed to grapple so much and have it go unpunished. I'm not afraid to say I was disgusted at times with the regularity of his clinches.

Shane fought with guts, simply to hang in there and try to rally late...but he looked to have given up real early. Shane looked like Shane. Miguel looked like Miguel. What beat Shane, was Miguel being himself. He forced his will onto Mosley and Shane had no answer.

Cotto outboxed Shane. Outpunched him. Countered him. Out jabbed him. Shane was almost always competetive, so in that sense...no, it wasn't easy and it was no "schooling", but I thought he won by at least four points and thats with Cotto giving away the final round.

It reminded me somewhat of Mayweather v Judah in a scoring and flow sense.

 

Yeah, but Forrest just never really went after Shane like in the first fight. Hell even in the first fight he seemed like he let Shane survive to the bell.

Beats on Mosley in the 2nd, plays with Mosley. Mosley looks like he's getting too confident, Forrest puts him in his place in the 10th. Mosley slacks off and takes the finish.

 

Well I respect your opinion. Who knows, maybe after I watch it next Sat I'll even agree with you. One things for sure you can expect a great breakdown of what I see with little to no bias.

By the way, I would never compare Shane to Judah. Now that, I refuse to believe mister!

 

The Mosley of 2000 barely got past Wilfredo Rivera. Why do you guys still overrate that wide nosed motherfucker...::

 

Most accurate assessment of the fight so far. It wasn't close at all....

 

Cotto KNOWS how to handle speed and he has some of his own. He is not one dimensional. There are a lot of layers to his game.

Cotto did surprisingly well in the early part of the fight, with Shane obliging. And would you look at that: No low blows!

 

I'm a little amazed at how twisted the fight is getting.

I had Cotto winning 7-4-1. And the more I watch it, the more some of the rounds Mosley won are actually very close. And I gave the 12th to Mosley - but truth be told, that could be an even round.

People are making the last 3-4 rounds to be Trinidad-DLH in proportion, and that's simply not true.

Cotto wasn't running. Fighting off the back foot? Sure.

But he was THERE. And using footwork, defense, slipping shots, and both leading with volleys off the ropes and/or countering Mosley clean when Shane would come in.

And they weren't pitty-pats, they were clear, hard shots.

Cotto pretty clearly won the 9th and 11th on my card....and like I said, the 12th could be even.

I think people were so surprised by that tactic that they're automatically assuming Cotto MUST have been hurt or tired.

But if you've followed Cotto's career, he's done that often - and usually very effectively.

That's what was great about this fight - good action and adjustments by both guys.

At no point in those last 4 rounds - except maybe the 10th - was Cotto looking rubbery-legged, very gassed, weak or any such thing (or at least, no more than a typical fighter should who has been in a competitive fight).

And in that 10th he was hurt a bit to the body - but then was immediately firing back.

You can have it 8-4, 7-5, or 7-4-1....but I honestly struggle with anyone having a draw or thinking that is a "fair verdict."

I'd encourage folks to watch it again....and especially without commentary (yes, I know that gets old and trite, but it's very true in this case).

Peace.

 

8-4 for Cotto is the most accurate assessment of that fight but I can accept 7-4-1.

Lederman was OFF, WAAAAY OFFF on a couple rounds tonight. Mosley's excessive holding and trying to survive as well as ineffective aggression whenever Cotto allowed him to be agressive shouldn't be rewarded....

 

'Mosley just trying to survive' is a very poor assesment of the fight

if that were the case then why didn't Cotto molester him in the later rounds as expected? instead we had a tired Mosley stalking Cotto

yeh, surviving :notallthere:

 

This is a Cotto board so you have to understand that. It was a close fight that could have gone either way IMO.

 

Dealt not dealed.

:doh: ::

 

Lederman is a shit analyst/judge, I've been saying this for years.

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Mosley did not barely get past Rivera. That's a myth that he had trouble with Rivera when in fact Shane actually seemed to have a stamina problem but still beat the crap out of Rivera.

Also if Shane stayed in the pocket against Cotto you have to think a younger version--who was better at combos and had better stamina to the point where he rarely had to clinch--would have done much better than tonight.

 

A younger Mosley who stays in the pocket would have risked permanent injury against Cotto tonight, my man. I agree that it gives him a greater chance of winning, but also of shortening his career by a few years.

Miguel wrecks fighters who he can land on consistently and Shane at that stage of his career wasn't too hard to find.

 

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yeh Cotto is power punching, infighting GOD

any fighter who trades with him is certainly going to die

 

Stop being a jerk for christs sake.

Cotto is quite clearly one of the finest infighters in the sport and his power sure took the fight out of Mosley today...as it has done to basically every fighter he's ever been in with.

You don't have to trade with Cotto, to fight on the inside with him. Thre is a difference between infighting and brawling, afterall.

 

I agree Donny, I can't believe how biased HBO's crew were towards Shane. When Cotto was on the backfoot landing beautiful hard counters, they were saying Shane was the one doing the damage even though he wasn't landing anything effective, I was wondering what fight they were watching. I didn't bother to score the bout and I was rooting for Cotto, that's why I didn't argue with a draw even though I felt the fight was clearly Cotto's...

 

definitely...

 

Bsed on what? His wins over Diaz, Taylor and Stone?

 

ridiculous statement...especially considering cotto was the one avoiding shane the second half of the fight. was shane somehow less tough a few years back???? :dunno:

 

I would make Mosely the favorite but to say he would easily win is ridiculous.

It's not as if Cotto showed everything he had last night. He was winning the fight and took his foot off the gas. If he needed to raise the intensity level he certainly could have.

 

Exactly.

I wouldn't even make Shane the favourite. It'll be a 50-50 fight.