Steward No Longer Training Taylor

From ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3106737

I'm sure Steward isn't losing too much sleep over this one.

 

I'm sure Manny knew this was going to happen...

 

Steward got a bad rap for Taylor.

The person to blame is Pat Burns. Taylor looked good against B-level competition because they couldn't exploit his glaring weaknesses. Once he stepped up in comp, he couldn't hide those deficiencies.

I saw improvement under Steward. Jermain learned how to tie up effectively and how to use his shoulders and forearms to push guys off him. Those are a few of the things he couldn't do prior to working with Steward.
Ozell Nelson has Jermain's best intentions in mind, but the whole reason he brought Burns in in the first place dealt with his knowing he couldn't help Jermain learn a pro style...Burns didn't help in that regard either.

 

Both Stewart AND Taylor are to blame for that loss. Jermaine was doing NOTHING to prevent Pavlik from exploding his right hand on his jaw. Taylor was practically inviting the right hand. :doh:

 

Joony and I spoke to Dibella after Saturday's fights. He said that in a situation such as this, going back to the guy that started it all is the best thing to do.

 

So in a couple of years with him, Taylor learned to tie up and push off? Thats what its come to for Steward now? Improviing a guy's grappling and being happy that he's even able to do that? He didn't do a thing to help Taylor with what really matters; his balance, combination punching and setting up his big shots. Jermain is still the same raw, off-balance "kid" he was some six years ago.

Whats worse, is that he doesn't even jab as much as he used to. For a trainer who comes at such a price tag and carries as much of a reputation as he does, Emanuel should be handing money back to Taylor.

 

exactly, it didn't look he improved one bit with Stewart, it even seems he regressed. Maybe it's not Stewart fault and that no trainer could change Taylor bad habits, but even if it is the case, Taylor shouldn't pay that much $$$$$$ for someone who don't help him.

 

dsimon writes:

yeah I am torn on this one. Most comments make a lot of sense one way or another.

I know this though: Take it from a martial arts guy.... Good habits take a day to teach, bad habits take a year to break if you get my drift. It is sobering how bad habits learned in combat reflexes can lead to years of working things out. I am guessing the same thing applies in boxing and you have to be ready and willing to work that shit out or it don't matter if your trainer is Moses.... you aint going anywhere fast!:: Taylor may be a hard head who won't try to change.

 

Steward has abandoned the sinking ship.

 

Yo, I was thinking the same thing. Stewart hasn't done shit for Taylor. This long in his career and he still has some of the worst footwork and balance in the game, and he continues to keep his hands at waist level during the whole fight. I think Taylor is garbage anyway, but Steward seems to be shot.

 

I give Manny a lot of credit for rebuilding Klitschko... he's far from shot.

 

Yeah, but Klitchko was already an outstanding offensive force. So really, what visible improvements has Stewey brung to the Klitchko table? Does anyone notice any significant improvements to Wlad that can be directly attributed to Stewey?

 

Yes. He's much more calculated and selective with his offense. He doesn't just rush guys and constantly go for the KO... he allows the KOs to happen naturally. He's also learned to hold on a little bit when he gets buzzed. You haven't noticed the changes?

 

Good move by the Taylor camp. Manny is an overrated trainer nowadays

 

Manny cant fight FOR Jermain, Tam. He can tell him to do all the right things, and train him on what to prepare for, but the bottom line is once that bell rings.... a trainer cant do SHIT for you! I'm sure Manny wanted Taylor to use his jab more often, and they worked on in the gym on doing just that, but once the bell rings, its Taylor's responsibility to carry out what was taught him. The fact that he's still sloppy, and raw like he was 6 years ago isnt Steward's fault. Shit, you can have Manny, Angelo Dundee, and dig up the corpse of Eddie Futch, have all 3 train Taylor and he STILL wouldnt improve. He's a lost cause. He'll get destroyed in the Pavlik rematch and float into oblivian.

 

Don't pay much attention to HW's. Somehow I always seem to miss their fights and don't care enough to catch them later.

 

Steward has been shot for a while now.

Taylor used to jab alot coming up in the pros. So that is something he stopped doing with Steward that used to work.:dunno:

I have never seen Andy Lee but I read that he is someone that Steward has built from scratch like a Tommy Hearns. We will soon see if he can deliver.

opcorn:

 

It's not the trainer that's not getting the job done. It's the athlete in the ring. Taylor needs to look in the mirror and realize that his skills just aren't that good and no matter who he has in his corner he still is going to be a very limited fighter. I'll Holla 5000

 

he looked better before Steward that is a fact.

Like I said earlier he used to jab like hell now he don't even use that. I'm not sure what Steward was trying to do with him. Never really defined his style with him.

 

Taylor's always had bad habits and some key flaws.

I have to think, from what I know of Steward, that Emmanuel has tried to address/correct those.

And Steward's FAVORITE punch and weapon - is the jab.

It's impossible to discern whether it is trainer or boxer refusing to listen/apply (or being "too far gone" and those habits being uncorrectable)....

But I'd suspect that the issue lies more with Taylor given what I can see - and the comments from his camp and Steward.

Taylor has stopped jabbing as much as he used to....but that has been due to him becoming more and more unsure as he's faced elite opposition who can better deal with his jab.

I have personally heard Steward screaming at Taylor to use the jab more in the corner.

Peace.

 

This is why you can't believe jack shit that comes from a fighters mouth. I don't know how many interviews I have heard how Taylor has spoke about how much he has learned and how he has improved. Which has not translated in the ring. Now if Taylor has improved while in camp and he does not take the skills that he's learned to fight night then it has nothing to do with the trainer. That shit falls squarely on his shoulders. I'll Holla 5000

 

Taylor loses to no bums, beats Hopkins twice and fights on close to even terms with Winky.
And he sucks? Gimme a break.
Getting laid out by perhaps the hardest puncher in the sport only means he is human. He's already proven that he's a talented, very good fighter.

Did Steward help him? Perhaps not. Steward likes guys who can end it with one punch and that's not taylor, at least not at the upper levels.

 

Very true, when he started his pro career I thought it was that jab that would lead him far.

 

Exactly! I never understood the knock on Taylor aside from the promotion he got from HBO

From the moment he was a prospect I don't recall people thinking he was the real deal. Hopkins was the favorite to beat his ass the first time around. Taylor proved he could hang with that level win or lose.

If people never thought much of him to begin with I don't understand where this high expectation of him started and why?

I think he's looked worst in the last couple of fights but to me it's not just him. It's also the bad matchmaking and Emanuel Steward.

People talk about Emanuel Steward like he can do no wrong just because he has alot of knowledge of the sport. But he has to click with a fighter to make that work. They had a couple of fights together to see that shit didn't work.

 

Taylor is a media created bum basically..

 

Maybe Steward just can't polish a turd. JT sucks, he has sloppy footwork and his boxing style looks like a white guy trying to dance by comparison. Steward is still training Wlad and Cintron so we'll see how much improvement those guys make. I wonder if JT just maybe peaked a long time ago. Like I said, you can't polish a turd.

 

Let's see how Taylor does with a new trainer. Then "who's fault" everything is can be more accurately judged.

My guess is Jermain can't do anything more than he already has but i'm interested to see what happens.

 

:bears: great post

you are so right

Pouring syrup on shit.. dont make it pancakes

 

dsimon writes:

Exactly! They raised the wrong guy's hand many times and here we are! :doh:

 

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