Taylor - Pavlik 2: Let's discuss this one!!!

Yup, he is indeed...

 

It showed he had the power to hurt Pavlik. Pavlik was still hurt bad and had to hold for his life after he got up to get out of the round.

 

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I'm agreeing with Hanzy on this one. Taylor obviously has confidence issues. It's easy to tell when his confidence is low, and it will be low after getting knocked out. He'll have even more twitchy, herky-jerky, nervous energy. It wouldn't surprise me to see him flinch a lot while being punched at.

 

But his 'power' only landed because Pavlik stuck his chin in front of Taylor's fist, arrogantly, and to show what a smart arse he was. You think he'll be doing that again? :nono:

 

NO i don't think he will do that again.

However if you think that Taylor can't hurt Pavlik then your wrong.

 

that's like saying watch round 5 of Winky-Shane II as proof that Shane can one day beat Winky. Or round 9 of Jones-del Valle.

 

Joe Calzaghe was far, far too good for him earlier this year, and stopped him in three (possible early stoppage but the fight would not have ended any differently much later if it had gone on), but that doesn't automatically mean he is a bum...

...I'd still expect Jeff to be a bit too good, though. Tough to tell: probably depends how much the JC beating still plays on Lacy. :dunno:

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Sure he can hurt him- if he drops his hands, sticks his face forward towards a clenched fist and sticks his tongue out...

Considering how likely that is (again), I'll stand by my position thus far...:tease:

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No its not. Pavlik was hurt badly and was nearly out of there. After he got up Taylor hurt him again. Pavlik was stumbling around the ring punchdrunk.

Jones was down from a flash KD after dominating every round. Shane had been dominated in the first fight and never hurt Winky at all.

 

Absolutely. I actually felt it a good stoppage- Peter was outclassed and the 'mercy stoppage' was a sensible call IMO.

Absolutely. More than one level, IMO. But then, they are in good company...[insert any 168lb'er here]

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T'was a typical Frank Warren promotion... :shit:

Still, I suppose both guys made a few $$$ out of it, which, if all the pre-press was to be believed, was the whole point of the exercise.

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Taylor is going to try to have to outbox Pavlik. However Kelly keeps coming with power shots from both hands. Eventually the pressure will pay off.

Pavlik knocks out Taylor while once again behind on the cards.

 

What U're IGNORING is HOW Pavlik Got "Hurt Badly"...

It Wasn't UNTIL he DROPPED his Own Hands & Got Caught Sticking his Tongue Out...

Pavlik was ARROGANTLY Trying to Show Taylor that the Previously Landed Shot had NO Effect, then he Got Caught AGAIN, GENUINELY Hurt & DROPPED...The Punchdrunk Stumbling was the Trickle down Effect of Pavlik's Poorly timed DEFIANCE...

If Pavlik NEVER Gets ARROGANT in Round 2, it's DOUBTFUL He Ever Gets Hurt or Dropped....

Round 2 "Proved" that Taylor can Hurt a Guy who Gives him a FREE Shot...No More, No Less...Taylor's Gonna HIT Pavlik, but he Only HURT him when Pavlik had a Momentary BRAINFART...

& Jack Loew IMMEDIATELY Ripped Pavlik a New Asshole, when he Got Back to his Corner, for Being that Arrogant...It's VERY DOUBTFUL that Pavlik will do Something like that Again...Especially Against Taylor...

The POINT is, that was Taylor's ONLY "Moment" of the ENTIRE Fight, Really...



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I think Pavlik wins again by KO, but judging by the scorecards from the last fight, Jermain could win a very stinky decision if it goes the distance. I did not think Jermain deserved to be up on the cards at the time of the stoppage in the first fight. I thought Pavlik was pulling away.

 

Not at all! :nono:

Pavlik was in serious trouble in that round and it was an otherwise competitive fight. TERRIBLE ANOLOGIES!!:doh:

 

Calzaghe-Manfredo was definately an early stoppage. Manfredo was in no danger of being stopped. And I've always disagreed with the idea that the blatant bad stoppage was justified because "Calzaghe was gonna win anyway".

I expect Manfredo to be a live underdog against Lacy and a Manfredo win wouldn't be a big surprise.

 

Terrible example.

Pavlik was clowning around and basically gave Taylor a free shot. And even then...Pavlik showed the ability to weather the anxious moments that followed and come back strongly.

Frankly...that second round was the best chance that Taylor will ever have to beat Pavlik. And Taylor couldn't get the job done then...so I don't see how things would be different in a rematch.

 

Taylor would lose.

After the fight, he basically said that Pavlik is just better. He had the best training camp of his life, had no outside influences disturbing him, his life at home was great, he was in supreme shape, but he couldn't beat Pavlik.

I've never seen a fighter so genuinely say that.

 

How so? Pavlik and Winky were both in complete control of said fights until they literally stuck out their chins and dared their opponents to hit him. Both got hit and both were badly hurt (Wink forced to Ruiz his way out of the round, Pavlik hitting the deck). Both went onto to win the fight.

Jones-del Valle didn't belong, I just threw that in for reaction :stir:

 

True. But you can also argue that he was just being a good sport and didn't want to come across as being an excuse maker.

Although I do agree that he had no excuses for his loss, per se, it doesn't mean that he cant do better. Truthfully he wasn't defending against the right hand at all...constantly leaving the left side of his face exposed and available. He must surely realize this.

He DOES have a chance in a rematch.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv1Et0W3xeI

I re-watched this in light of your post, and I have to disagree...

In the 60 or so seconds before the stoppage, Calzaghe throws a decent left, forcing Peter back and effectively cuts his off on the ropes, unloads with unanswered (albeit quick rather than powerful) flurries of lefts and rights, Manfredo gets out again but gets trapped on the ropes again, the same happens, there is a brief spell in the centre off the ring before Manfredo is again trapped on the (third different set of) ropes, bends backwards whilst taking unanswered shots and the referee steps in as Calzaghe is punching and hitting almost at will.

The only debate, IMO, as I had recalled at the time, was whether or not the punches were powerful enough to demand a stoppage, especially in a World Title bout.

Whilst I wouldn't argue too strenuously against someone who said that the stoppage was a touch early, I don't see how you can say that Manfredo 'was in no danger of being stopped'. He clearly was IMO. That is why I say that I would have probably let it go a few seconds more, but Peter was in a bad spot and was taking a number of unanswered shots.

I can't see why anyone would say that this was a 'blatant bad stoppage'. :dunno:

Agreed, but I would still expect Lacy to be a bit too good. Tough one to call though IMO.

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He does, but it is a slim one...

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"Complete control" after just ONE ROUND....a close first round? :: Plus Winky wasn't badly hurt...or even visibly hurt at all. Come on Jake. Be reasonable.:nono:

 

I recall something quite different and I watched it in slow motion over and over again right after the fight was stopped. Most of Calzaghe's punches while Manfredo was on the ropes were of the slapping variety and more than a few landed on Manfredo's gloves, shoulders and arms.

I will take a look again at the film when I get a minute, but there was no doubt in my mind that this was a premature stoppage when it actually happened.

 

Ocourse Taylor isn't held as dearly to everyone's hearts the way Hopkins is, I expected Taylor to persue the rematch and good on him it's a measure of what makes him one of my favourites, but I think perhaps Jermaine should take advantage of his sons impunity for now, and win da "Lightheavyweight championship", Hopkins is something like 3rd or 4th on everyone's p4p list, I think?..so Jermaine for once should indulge in a little 'oppurtunism' and say, ay son, daddy's back, want another try?.. and WHEN he wins, thanks to Hopkins mass overration he'll be back mixing it up amongst the elite, and from this new glamorous position, he should then have another lash at Pavlik. :crafty: