Fights were the loser...SHOULD HAVE QUIT!!!

So let's have a little discussion. Fight fans invariably insult fighters for quitting, sometimes justified (Frietas), as it's a disappointing end to a fight. But what are some of teh fights where to loser had NO CHANCE of winning and was getting battered mercilessly and should have quit long before the fight ended.

Are there even such cases in your mind?


IMO...Jeff Lacy should have QUIT after 6 or 7 rounds against Calzaghe. It was a hopeless cause.

Gatti should have QUIT after 4 rounds against Mayweather. All he was gonna get after that was more brain damage.


Are there any fights that you think a fighter should actually have quit and that they were too brave for their own good?

 

Even though he wound up winning, there was no point in Thell Torrence letting Riddick Bowe out after the 7th round of the Golota rematch.

MAGO, at pretty much any point of his fight against Tszyu.

John John Molina, at least a round prior to the end of his fight w/ Lazcano, which incidentally also featured some of the worst ever officiating, courtesy of Jerry McKenzie, who seemingly had money on Molina dying in the ring.

And in one I guarantee nobody else would've mentioned - Ancee Gedeon in his bantamweight title fight against Mbulelo Botile on USA TNF a decade or so ago. Gedeon, who was homeless a year prior, had an incredible comeback year in '95, scoring 4 straight upsets over Top 10ish contenders. But found himself hopefully overmatched against Botile, and hurt very badly and dropped in the 10th. Corner should've stopped it, but let him go out for one more round. What did Gedeon get for his troubles? KTFO, courtesy of a flush right hand that literally left him drooling on the canvas.

I'm sure there are better examples, not sure why these are the only ones coming to mind at the moment.

 

Acelino Freitas vs. Diego Corr -- oh, wait........

 

Speaking of John John Molina...


Tony (the tiger) Lopez should have quit against him in their second fight. Lopez's eyes were swolen shut. He couldn't see the punches coming. He got stopped of course, but the fight didn't have to go as long as it did...

 

What a cool trilogy that was. Underrated.

 

yeah... they were both rough and tough guys that made great fights.

 

Richard Hall against RJ. MANY other fighters woulda quit taking such a beating, not to mention Roy was clowning him the whole time. But to Hall's credit, he showed tremendous heart and even after Roy was half killing him and Wayne Kelly stopped it, Hall complained about the stoppage.

 

Bowe should have quit in the Golota rematch. Nevermind that Golota got dq'ed in the 9th and Bowe got a worthless W his career was ruined at the end of his "victory"

 

Nah, thats Golota's job.

 

May sound obvious in retrospect, but I remember thinking AT THE TIME....

That Leavander Johnson and Jimmy Garcia should have quit in their respective fights (and/or their corners should have stopped it).

Peace.

 

I get it Golota is a quitter! Still if Bowe wasn't too brave for his own good maybe he would have a longer career and made more money instead of a retiring at 29 and coming back 10 years later as a brokeass brain damaged joke

 

There was no quit in Garcia; he had to have the fight beaten out of him. People talk about quitting being dishonourable, but when you have family members who depend on you, there's no honour in dying and leaving your family without you.

This is not disrespect for Leavander nor Jimmy. They were brave gallant warriors...who we all wish were still around. Beathaven Scotland also comes to mind, sadly.

 

Bowe against Golota
Jorge Castro against John David Jackson
Julian Jackson against Herol Graham
Eubank against Michael Watson
Carlos Maussa against Vivian Harris

etc....

fighters should ony quit in my opinion if they are legitimately hurt over and over again and don't have the will to continue, or in rare extreme cases the corner should step in when a ref pulls an "Arthur Mercante Jr."

 

its only "obvious" because of the ramifications of what happened.

If a guy quits, the fanbases and people talk all the shit in the world and seem to disregard things that fighter has done before and after. You can't call those two instances "obvious" cases because there are thousands of other fights that looked much worse and the fighters who took the beatings didn't pass away after.

Half of Wayne MacColough's last 10 or so fights have been hard to watch, and there are countless other cases where guys just got battered and took a moral victory from surviving.

 

They had VERY BRAVE cornermen, particularly in Garcia's case where he was getting hit with flush home run shots by Ruelas, and I may add Scottland's goons as well.

 

Continuing when all you can do is to take more beating is not brave, it is plain stupid

 

yeah but there are alot of examples where boxers turn fights around after taking beatings.

One punch can change a fight especially if you are a puncher. You wanna believe you always have a chance.

Quitting should be the last thing on a fighter's mind. I would rather his corner or the ref stop the fight but not the fighter.

 

Golota should be locked in a departure lounge and tazered.

 

Joppy Vs Hopkins

 

Vincent Pettway vs. Simon Brown. Brown should have quit boxing after that fight.

I know it's slightly off topic, but slystaff does that all the time, so I can do it just once, at least.

 

Shavers-Williams is a good example

 

You're right. I wouldn't have mentioned it because I don't remember the fight against Botile that well, except that he was thoroughly outclassed which was unfortunate and somewhat surprising because of his recent success that you point out.

Vince Phillips and Ben Tackie against Hatton come to mind. Hatton's ruthless pressure, lacking just enough power to end a fight against tough guys, is the prototype method for killing someone in the ring.

So far, I think I've agreed with the other once mentioned, although as much as I disliked Bowe, I sure do respect him for how he won those Golota fights.

 

Nice one.

Especially considering how Joppy's face ended up.

 

Not only do they disregard what a fighter has done before (and does after) -- but people forget that boxing is a SPORT. It's not the Roman Coliseum.

I said obvious simply because it's 'easy' in retrospect to say those guys should have "quit" (contrasting that to, say, Castro-JD Jackson) given the ultimate result - vs. other examples being brought up on the thread.

Overall I agree with your principle of when the fighter should quit; but at the end of the day the fighter and only the fighter really feels what's happening in the ring.

I think corners need to be a bit more assertive in this....everyone gets mentioned/blamed but the corners, who know the fighter best (enough to 'save him from himself') and who are supposed to be looking out for his best interest.

Peace.

 

well, in your defense, Brown DID try to continue even as he was laid out on the canvas. So the bout is somewhat relevant to the topic.

 

Julian Jackson against Herol Graham ?:dunno:

 

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true, I knew someone would bring that up.

Was the Botile KO over Gedeon the one where he catches him against the ropes with the right hand, and the other guy goes down and is spread accorss the ring rope?

 

yes, he was getting beat up pretty badly in that fight, but turned it around with one punch. That was myelmers's point.

 

i don't think so. sounds like you got the sequence right, but I don't remember him being on the ropes, before or after the knockout. From what I remember, he got cracked, and fell face first to the canvas, with drool hanging from his lip as they attempted to pick him up afterward.

 

Castro-Jackson I is a legit exception, but not so sure on the others.

Bowe gained nothing from the Golota rematch, I can't see how anyone could question that those two fights (esp. the rematch) ruined his career as well as his ability to form a coherent sentence.

Julian Jackson was always a one-hitter quitter. Compare that to the earlier thread example of Calzaghe-Lacy. While Lacy has power, he's always been a volume puncher who swarms and eventually overwhelms you.

I don't remember Eubank-Watson (either fight) being a blowout, not to the point where Eubank was perceived to have no chance of winning.

And Maussa-Harris is the absolute worst example of the bunch. Not only was Maussa in control of the fight prior to the knockout, but it was Viv who all but gave up on himself a round or two prior, having completely gassed out (along with his nerves getting the best of him) after two rounds. So how the hell is that fight relevant?