Mayweather vs Cotto! WHat happens here?

merged.

 

Great points great post. One of the best I've read in a while. :bears: :bears:

This is why Shane lost to Cotto.

 

Guys like Floyd always fight the best. What will a win over Maragarito or Williams add to his record or all time status?

He will only be collecting one more tittle or two. Those guys are not great fighters. Margarito is an ok fighter that has lost everytime he steped up.

Williams has one good win and all of a sudden Floyd has to prove himself to him?:dunno:

I understan they are interesting matchups but to take credit from Floyd for not fighting those guys after the carreer he's had is fucking silly. :doh:

 

word.

 

How many "great" fighters are there? It's not like Floyd has many great fighters to target. He should just retire now if nobody is good enough for him to fight.

 

That Hatton is the likes of the fighters you mentioned.

 

I wouldn't favour anybody to beat PBF, but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't fight them.
For me, he still needs to fight Cotto, Williams, Mosley MAYBE Margarito.

Especially Cotto & Williams.

 

I would chop that 'needs' down to Cotto and Williams since they are undefeated (and beat the other two).

Because of how different Cotto and Williams are, I'd rather both of them get a shot at Floyd than fighting each other.

 

let me just say.. if Floyd and Cotto do fight.. FLoyd wins.. most likely a UD but it will be a shutout..

I think Floyd should stay away from Williams personally.. stylistically I think that is his only "dangerous" fight

 

no way!

I never understood how some consider Cotto easier than Hatton. Hatton puts pressure but he has always been reckless. If that doesn't work he never has a plan B.

Against Floyd you have to bring more than pressure. You gotta bring skills, power and you have to think in there. I think Cotto can do all of that.

I would still pick Floyd over Cotto based on speed alone. But it would be Floyd's toughest fight at 147 no doubt.

I think that "styles make fights" argument is overrated. I'ts more about how good you are and how versatile you are.

 

If Floyd vs Cotto ever comes off, you'll be surprised how easy it is for Floyd.

Cotto is a patient stalker...and that means only one thing...he gets potshotted all night long.

If Cotto dares to try to increase his intensity and bully Floyd along the ropes he leaves himself open to Floyd's off-the-ropes sneaky counters. Floyd may not be a devastating puncher but his punches are sharp and deadly accurate. He'll buzz Cotto badly and could finish him off.

Floyd will virtually shut out Cotto, make no mistake.

Floyd is no Mosley!

 

Cotto isn't no Hatton...he is alot better than Hatton...

Cotto is more like Castillo...just bigger,stronger,faster,plain better....

Cotto is Mayweather's worst nightmare.......shit Margarita might be Maywather 2nd worst nightmare considering how much Mayweather had to clinch the little midget Hatton..Margarito is similar to Hatton wouldn't you say? Just hits harder, throws more punches and doesn't clinch as much...and has a better chin...but not as fast with his feet.

 

True champs don't duck dangerous fights, they welcome them. Which is why Floyd is a farce who handpicks the right opposition at the right time. Why doesn't this fool go up to 160 and meet Pavlik?

 

Outlander:
You say "The reason Floyd cannot be considered a top 5 or maybe even top 10 fighter all time is because cleaning out a division IS important, and it's important because records DON'T define challenges by themselves"

My question: Isn't that a reasonable call on what he did at 130 lbs?

Granted, he didn't fight Casa and Freitas (neither of whom had a really signifcant victory yet anyways and neither of whom even really tried to negotiate), but G. Hernandez, Manfredy, Corrales, C. hernandez and Chavez was about as close to cleaned out as one can get. 9 defenses in three years is pretty good stuff.

Floyd might, might be the best ever at 130. How soon they forget.

 

that the last and only division he ever kinda clean out..he fougth the #2 guy Corrales...but didn't fight the #3 and #4 guys...

at 135 from what i remembe there was nobody other than Castillo..and he fought him twice..going 2-0..really 1-1 but who's scoring..:dunno:

 

How the fuck did you come up with that genius? PBF was only ahead 2 points coming into the 10th round against a midget in Hatton. He won a SPLIT DEC against a fading Delahoya, but yet you say he will shutout Cotto? A fighter better than Hatton? :flip:

 

How many all-time greats cleaned out more than one weight class? Robinson and Armstrong I grant and then who?

 

I disagree that a fighter will "NEVER" gain all-time status by going through multiple divisions....especially if he beats the top fighter(s) there.

But the parts in bold I REALLY agree with and are excellently written.

Just because a guy is FAVORED doesn't mean he doesn't have to fight the fights.

You must PROVE it in the ring in order to achieve greatness in a division.

Hagler, Napoles, Monzon, Sanchez, Canto, etc.....the CONSISTENCY of the quality of their opposition is what makes them great, taking on all comers in their division no matter what their record, status, physical/talent make-up or perceived advantages.

Peace.

 

mayweather didn't clean out the division...he just "kinda did"..but not really...

 

PBF was up way more than that on the official cards.....and on mine as well.

That being said, agree that Cotto would be a challenging fight.

Peace.

 

actually Hatton was down 5-6 pts and all the judges card against Money...how is that possible? fuck i know...Lok,Sly and rjp4p musta been the judges that night...

 

You answer your own question. Casa and Freitas were 2 of the top 4 at 130 and it was easy enough to argue they were #1 and #2 (or 3 or 4). It's not all that different from 147 now with Floyd beating #4 (hatton/Corrales) and the other 2 (Williams/Cotto casa/freitas) just sitting there.

It's not cleaning out a division and it's not ambiguous. When the top fighters don't get there by attrition, but are there all along...you need to pick them off.