1. I still say Soto beat Guzman - he landed the harder shots, applied the pressure, and won the fight. The broadcast guys just liked Guzman for his undefeated record, and from the get-go, were ignoring Soto's work. I had Soto up 3-1 after 4 rounds, and Papa had it 4-0 for Guzman if I'm not mistaken. And I'm almost certain now that G has purchased Compubox. 2. Hatton learned a lesson he needed to learn - enough with his leaping jab already. That sht don't work against top competition. 3. If PBF sits out 2008 without fighting at least one (if not more) of the 5 or 6 real threats at 147, we'll all know why. And it'll be exactly as Steward said - too much risk, not enough reward. Only problem is, this isn't a valid excuse for the best fighter in the world who's supposed to be able to beat anyone easily. 4. PBF beat Hatton at his own game - holding him after he hit him, pushing him and using his forearm more often than he has since leaving 135. 5. Hatton deserves credit for all of the early-round success he had - he definitely had PBF befuddled early, and was landing some big shots that were definitely getting PBF's attention. 6. Cortez is a crook. 7. This whole sport is crooked. It's amazing it's entertaining at all given how crooked it is.
8. Bernard Hopkins was all in Floyd's ass that night.:: Bernard was screaming and motioning to the ref whenever Floyd spun his back or jammed an elbow into Hatton's face. Bernard was cheering and hollering for the white boy to beat the black man! :clap:
What's too bad is that PBF/Hatton ended in the one way (Hatton being KO'd) that pretty much kills ODH/Hatton as an option. Who wants to see that fight now? I give Hatton credit for not giving up though, and trying to win, even at the risk of being KO'd.
How was that ever going to come off anyway, given that De la Hoya can't make 147 and Hatton certainly shouldn't fight at 147+ ever again.
well, let me start by saying, having given it thought, that I'm glad it will not come off. but my guess is it would've though if Hatton had managed to go the distance, and definitely would've had he managed to win. but ODH would've looked like a fool in any case fighting Hatton, who is considerably smaller than PBF, let alone ODH. the reality is, any of the top guys would've beaten Hatton at 147 - Margarito, Cotto, Williams and Cintron all would've knocked him out IMO. He's just not big enough for 147.
hey let's not start insulting our fellow posters. you were right. i was wrong. isn't that good enough for you? PBF knocked him out !!! nice job by him - sorry. I didn't think he could do it based on not being able to knock out anyone else at 147, including Judah. sorry. what a crazy notion on my part. it was you that had the crazy (insightful) notion - no need to get insulting about it.
So L, did you enjoy the sight of seeing Hatton's mother sad at ringside and his girlfriend (?) crying after he got KO'd?
you "really" agree? i don't want to discuss firther if you're being sarcastic, but if you're not, i might have more to say on the subject. i think this was a horribly scored fight that Soto could've only possibly won with a KO.
you're in the minority. i guess the rest of us are morons and certainly do not know how to score a fight.
Agree on everything except Cortez. I don't think he was crooked in this fight, but I do think he had a BAD night. He was far too involved in the first couple of rounds, and he looked hesitant and gunshy throughout the fight (including the stoppage). But if you notice, Cortez broke them FAR less often after about the 4th round. I think he realized what he was doing and made an effort to do a better job. He could have taken a point from PBF for the elbows, but who cares really. And as far as Hatton's foul went, it was pretty blantant. Mayweather may have turned his back, but Hatton had plenty of time to resist throwing that shot. The right guy won the fight, and Cortez didn't really eneter into it all that much by the end of the night.
i agree. he was really cramping Hatton's style, which wouldn't have been so bad except that he all but ignored PBF's fouls (fore-arm, holding and hitting, and pushing off). there was one instance where Hatton landed a pretty good left hook, PBF started his back turning business in response to the punch - so what does Cortez do? he breaks them! They weren't even tied up!!! You could argue that he had a bad night and that he isn't crooked except that his every judgement erred in favor of PBF !!! It was completely unfair and not even handed at all. I'm not saying it changes the outcome of the fight one way or the other, but it has to be accepted - especially in light of the unfair treatment Hatton's been accused of getting in the UK. There's no doubt PBF received favorable treatment from Cortez. No doubt. Interesting point though is that when all is said and done, PBF was better on the inside than Hatton. It's true. Hatton's not "really" an inside fighter - he's more of an assaulter - who once he gets close is looking to restart the action , not engage in an inside fight. His specialty is coming in with 2-3 quick hard shots and then tying up. So the argument could also be made that Cortez's penchant for breaking quick actually "helped" Hatton.
Clinching is fouling. Im happy Mayweather shoved his elbow in Vickys grill everytime he cheated. Mayweather just let him know that he can retaliate with his own fouls.
i agree with your first statement. but PBF clinched every bit as much as Hatton, in addition to shoving his forearm in his neck, pushing him off, and holding and hitting him. so your position that PBF was just retaliating isn't fair. either he's following the rules or he's not. in this case, neither guy was. the only problem is, Hatton's the only one who caught any shit about it. PBF was never warned once for his fore-arm, or his pushing.
Cortez warned Floyd for the elbow, he just never penalized him. Cortez has sucked for awhile, this was probably one of his better performances in recent memory.
Hey usually i don't like cheating but for Vicky ill make an acception. He wins all his fights by cheating.
I think that Cortez was alright after the third round. He was trying to be a little too on top of things in the beginning but evened out later.
how do you know this to be true? you think it's in Arum's (or Soto's) best interest to protest the judging everytime it doesn't go their way?
i'm not whining. PBF's fans were the ones whining, before the fight, that Hatton was a cheater - that all he does is clinch. hell, i was complaining that that's all he does. so what does PBF do? he goes out and clinches just as much, if not more. and adds pushing, elbows, his forearm and holding and hitting to the mix. so what do his fans do? they stand behind these tactics afterall? it's worthy of calling out if nothing else. so that's what i'm doing.
