What if Mosley/PBF have happened? Who would have won?

It does not work ALWAYS but usually it is pretty relevant to consider how fighters do against common opponents.

 

I guess that was your reasoning behind picking Hatton over mayweather: How both fared against Castillo?

 

:notallthere:

You are a boxing intellectual who understands the importance of styles. I get that.

Still you have to understand that the case A beats B, B beats C, A beats C is far more common than A beats B, B beats C, C beats A. Even though it does not work always, that does not mean that you couldn't use it as a reasoning for picking fights.

You have your own reasoning for picking both PBF's and Mosley's fights and I wouldn't trust that either

 

Now or prime ?

 

Exactly. Sly's reason for picking PBF in every fight is because he wants Floyd's cock shoved deep into his throat. Not because he's judging the styles of the combatants.

 

But yet its OK for you to do the same thing by evaluating what PBF did against other fighters .. :doh: :: ::

The Mosely that fought Oscar in the first fight IMO would take Floyd and do so without much of a problem.
Floyd stuggles with a faded DLH and Mosely beats a prime Welter weight DLH in a much more convincing fashion.
Yeah Sly you could say A beats C doesn't mean A beats B.
However not looking at that comparison is overlooking some good evidence.

 

Mosley of teh first Oscar fight was the same Mosley that had a tough fight with teh limited Rivera and the same Shane who would get wiped out by Forrest. Don't get it twisted. Shane was no multi-dimensional superstar in that fight. Oscar underestimated Shane and then faded down the stretch. That's all.

Shane couldn't KO Floyd with head punches for three reasons:

Floyd's defense
Shane isn't a one punch artist
Floyd has a very good chin

Shane couldn't outbox Floyd, because Shane didn't really outbox anyone (and it's near impossible to outbox Floyd)

Floyd would land more punches, because he's more accurate and has a better defense.

Floyd is smarter than Shane.

Like I said before, Mosley is "Mayweather-Lite". He looks like a slick boxer, but really isn't and doesn't do anything better than Floyd except maybe have a slightly harder punch and slightly faster hands.


Judah had a harder punch and faster hands than Floyd also...and is arguably faster and more powerful than Shane. So handspeed and power edge isn't everything.

 

I think mosely is like 36 or something .

 

Yeah, Shane is 36. Money would tattoo his ass. It wont look close the way the Cotto fight appeared.

 

I think that Cotto fight made Mosely even older now ..
Withn that said , PBF will probably fight him now - the plan is going perfectly.

1 - Wait for Mosely to sign with Cotto
2 - Come back out of retirement
3 - Fight the lesser of 3 evils in Hatton
4 - Mosely is old , let Cotto soften him up even more
5 - Let some more time go by so Mosely gets even older
6 - Fight Mosely when he's near 38
7 - Retire again and call yourself the greatest ever.

 

I didn't thought of that scenerio.....good one..i was thinking Mayweather will wait for a while see if Juan Diaz popularity goes up..to challenge him at 140...OR maybe do like DLH and look towards a fight against PACQUIAO..which could be marketable as the BEST two P4P fighter in the world....:clap:

 

Still pushing this theory, huh?

Mayweather-Hatton was already in negotiations and then finalized before Cotto and Mosley were signed.

 

Yeah but at that point , everyone knew Mosely and Cotto were deep in negotiations and the fight was basically a done deal ... Just because one was signed first , don't think that was the first fight discussed.
Also listen to what you just wrote "Mayweather-Hatton was already in negotiations and then finalized before Cotto and Mosley were signed." What exactly does that mean ???

I have been predicting PBF's plan from the start. So far I'm on the MONEY ...

 

I know boxing fans have short memories, but sheesh, don't people remember 5-6 months ago?

Hatton-Castillo was in late June, 3-4 weeks before Margarito and Williams fought. Cotto was to fight Margarito in the winter, that was the plan, but Williams beat Margarito. Hatton and Mayweather started negotating right after Hatton called out PBF on TV.

 

Jake's a reliable source on the inside information, I trust his knowledge.

http://fightbeat.com/forums/showpost.php?p=530316&postcount=50

 

Yes , Hatton called him out but calling someone is not the start of negotiations, then after Mosely took the place of Margarito , PBF and Hatton started the negotiations ..

 

Williams fought Margarito on July 14, 2007.

http://www.iboboxing.com/mayweather_expected_to_fight_hatton.html

Mayweather expected to fight Hatton
(By Steve Springer - Los Angeles Times)

June 28, 2007

Coming off last month's victory over Oscar De La Hoya in the richest non-heavyweight fight ever, Mayweather has entered into negotiations with Ricky Hatton for a pay-per-view bout.
​

What prompted [negotiations with Hatton] is, over the last couple of weeks, Ricky Hatton has been saying a lot about Floyd Mayweather," said Leonard Ellerbee, Mayweather's manager. "He's used Floyd's name to promote himself, and then he said … Saturday night that he had more excitement in four rounds than Floyd had in his career. To say that … is very disrespectful. Floyd heard him say that on HBO, and said, 'OK, be careful what you ask for.' He's calling Hatton's bluff, and now the whole world will see if this guy wants to fight and sign a contract now. … We can definitely make it happen this year. The ball's in their court."

 

dsimon writes:

Absolutely 100% correct.:bears:

 

Correct , Magarito lost on the 14th. Imediatly after Mosely was mentioned for Cotto.
Two weeks later in the above article you just posted. PBF says he will call Hattons bluff and even at that point they still did not enter negotiations for a bit of time ...

 

"Calling his bluff"....meaning he will fight him. It was common knowledge around this time, before Williams-Margarito, that Mayweather and Hatton would fight. It was obvious with the trash talk from each side. It was just a matter of each side trying to get every last penny.

As said above, the negotiations for Mayweather-Hatton started in late June, before Williams-Margarito.

I really can't tell if you believe what you're saying or just entertaining yourself.

 

Mosley wins. He, unlike Hatton, would've been stronger than PBF and consequently would've had success controlling the pace of the fight.

 

From what I seen by looking back at the board is that Mosely/Cotto were in talks BEFORE Hatton/Mayweather but , The Hatton/Mayweather fight was actually signed first ..

IMO all that means is they simply didn't negotiate as long as Cotto/ Mosely.

I also clearly remember saying to myself when they started talking "great now PBF is going to fight Hatton or someone else besides Cotto or Mosely"

 

It's right there for you.

Mayweather and Hatton began negotiating in late June, before Williams fought Margarito, not after Mosley replaced Margarito as Cotto's fall opponent as you claimed.

http://www.iboboxing.com/mayweather_expected_to_fight_hatton.html

June 28, 2007

Coming off last month's victory over Oscar De La Hoya in the richest non-heavyweight fight ever, Mayweather has entered into negotiations with Ricky Hatton for a pay-per-view bout.


http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=9263 (sorry Cupey)

06-28-2007

It was reported by Steve Springer of the Los Angeles Times that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. Ricky Hatton has a tentative date of November 10, with Las Vegas being the most logical site.


After days of back and forth verbal battles through the media, both fighters are ready to make the fight a reality. The biggest obstacle appears to be the amount of money each fighter will receive.

Hatton received $2.5 million for the four-round stoppage of Jose Luis Castillo last weekend in Las Vegas, while Mayweather made $20 million for his split decision win over Oscar De La Hoya on May 5. Mayweather is almost sure to demand a significant chunk of money for the fight. Art Pelullo, Hatton's promoter in America, told the paper that if both sides can agree on money - the fight will happen.

 

Actually if you listen to Hatton's father, the Mayweather-Hatton fight was negotiated for a year and half.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/othersports.html?in_article_id=472468&in_page_id=1781

Ricky Hatton and Floyd Mayweather have been planning their December 8 Las Vegas super-fight for the past 18 months, Hatton's father Ray admitted today.

Contracts were finally signed yesterday for the welterweight showdown between the two unbeaten stars which will yield a combined purse of over £17million


But Hatton senior revealed officials from both camps had been locked in negotiations since shortly after Hatton defeated Carlos Maussa in Sheffield in 2005.
Hatton told talkSPORT: "We've been talking to people from Mayweather's camp for 18 months. We've had dialogue going back as far as that.
"We've had conversations, 'let's be careful who the lads fight, try and keep them unbeaten, let's try and make it over 80 fights' which is a bit of a record for two unbeaten fighters to get in the ring. But it isn't that easy in boxing.
"As it was, coming up to the Castillo fight and the Oscar De La Hoya fight the conversations did take on a new turn because it was a matter of if Floyd could beat a living legend in Oscar and if Ricky could 'do' Castillo, then the fight got even closer."

 

OK , I checked the links ...
It was just that around here , Hatton/PFB wasn't really talked about until after Cotto/Mosely were in discussions ...

Anyway , I'll refrain from saying "he came out of retirement after the fact".

 

This is all I need to read before being even more certain of my take on this fight.

 

Didn't want to start a new thread for this so.....

Enjoy the three best fighters of the last 20 years!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGnmOVwklFY

:cheer:

 

dsimon writes:

Typical Double L assesment: Take the opposite and it will undountedly be true. Do you really believe this or are you trying to show how ignorant you are? just curious, its a real question.