Jack Dempsey Into MMA?

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  1. Anthony

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Dempsey


    "Dempsey wrote a book on boxing, Championship Fighting: Explosive Punching and Aggressive Defense, which was published in 1950. Dempsey was also something of a cross-trainer, he wrestled in training camp and later took judo lessons. He later wrote a book on this, How to Fight Tough, which dealt with close-quarters combat incorporating boxing, wrestling, and jiu-jitsu."

    THis book costs 274 dollars on Amazon



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  2. Rabid Kimba

    Rabid Kimba "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    That's not the original first edition cover (its from a 1983 Centerline Press Edition copy). ^^^^^^


    This one is a second printing cover from 1950:

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    Looks like Dempsey was way ahead of his time.

    Mmm, that warrants another look at Dempsey vs Firpo...great fight:

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  3. Rabid Kimba

    Rabid Kimba "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    For those who can't or won't buy the original book, I'm sure you can download an ebook version, including illustrations.

    But for the lazy folk (no illustrations):

    http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/box/dempseycfbook.html

    I started reading it (thanks to Godfather), and it's truly ahead of its time.

    I'm going to print it and read it, great stuff.

    Kudos to Dempsey.

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  4. Rabid Kimba

    Rabid Kimba "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    boxers invented MMA. That must piss Dana White off something fierce.
     
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    Rubio MHS Undisputed Champion

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    That book must've been ghostwritten something fierce. :eek:ld:
     
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    (22. Evasion)

    "Have your mate throw a slow-motion left jab at you. As the punch starts, you roll your left shoulder forward and down, as if you were about to deliver a left corkscrew to the body (Figure 67). That movement will succeed in making your opponent's left pass harmlessly over your left shoulder, as you slip to the outside.
    Practice that slip ten or twelve times without attempting to counter. As you become accustomed to the slipping movements, your mate can speed up his jabs.
    Next, try slipping the left jab over your right shoulder. Use a similar forward and down roll with that shoulder (Figure 68), as you slip to the inside. Try that defense ten or twelve times.
    Now you are ready to counter on slips against left jabs. Return to the left shoulder (outside) slip. On each slip, step in with a left corkscrew to the body (Figure 69). Try that counter several times. Make sure that you begin your corkscrew as you begin your slip. Then return to the right shoulder (inside) slip, and counter with right corkscrews to the body (Figure 70)."


    Great book! This bit flummoxes me though. If you're gonna move your left shoulder forward and down as if readying to throw a shovel hook then a jab is gonna pass over your RIGHT shoulder as you slip to the INSIDE (riskier slip). If so the appropriate counter is the left or the overhand right as you slip.

    If he means slipping it by rolling the whole left shoulder down to the outside so your back is effectively facing your opponent, then how the hell can you counter with a left of any kind, never mind an uppercut? Same goes for his other examples with the words left and right switched.

    Am I misreading him here?


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    EDIT, yeah I was misreading him. You throw the left AS you slip, not once you've slipped it. Im away to find my dunce hat.
     
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    TFK WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    White comes from a boxing background.

    TFK
     
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    There was really not a whole lot of boxing involved when Jack was fighting his way up on the rails, just street fighting in saloons, dives, streets, and alleys.
    Dempsey was a real animal at times, when he had a full belly that is.
     
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    which never happened
     
  11. Orthodox Crusader

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    I think White is pretty much of a fucking fraud myself.
     
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    dsimon3387 WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    dsimon writes:

    Oh man that was a great fight!!! I have an elink to a pdf version of his book, I will find it and post it... it is free. I love the book
     
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    You posted this sometime ago in the Training section. Great read. Thanks again for posting.


    http://www.freecirclefighting.com/jdbook.pdf
     

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