Definitive Career Enders not Involving Death or Permanent Injury...

For me, the definitive one is Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Prince Naseem Hamed. Hamed was a bomber who crushed people with either hand, and many people were saying I was nuts for picking MAB. MAB laid such a comprehensive beating on Hamed that I bet Hamed's people are still going, "What the fuck was that?" ::

Fast forward from then to now, Barrera went through a potential career crusher against Pacquaio and then rebounded to beat a few good fighters. True he never got the W back from Pac or Junior Jones, but he came back to do good things, so while he lost bad to both guys in their first bouts, they didn't retire him.

Now I look at Hamed. First he beats a relative unknown, at least unknown on the world stage, and then does nothing even though he insisted in the post-fight interview that he had a rematch clause with Barrera and was going to exercise it.

I have a feeling that Floyd might have just done the same thing to Hatton, but we'll see.

So what are your career enders? Ones that completely shattered the other person's confidence and career? Don't list guys who died or who were permanently disabled like Gerald McClellan. We know they were stopped and damaged or killed, but let's not turn the thread into ugliness.

 

The beating Vitaly put on Lennox

 

Yeah. Barrera beat Hamed so bad that it made Hamed look bad for the two years before the fight.:dunno:

 

I don't think Tito ever really mentally recovered from the Hopkins fight.

I don't think Vargas fully recovered from the beating from Trinidad. Same thing with Taylor and Chavez, although I don't think it was Chavez and Tito alone that ruined them. Vargas and Taylor took too much punishment in general.

 

Tito & Chavez both ended Taylor & Vargas' PRIMES. Both were still very good fighters afterwards, but never the same, especially Vargas.

 

I don't think vargas was still very good after the trinidad fight. he never defeated anyone I'd consider good, afterward.

an obvious answer would be roy jones jr losing the rematch to tarver.

 

yeh
he beat him half to death....it was a brutal massacre :eeeek:





:dunno: :notallthere:

 

Corrales/Castillo for both men.

 

Hatton-Tszyu.

 

lennox-grant

 

nah he's coming back, and he'll be the same boxer he was, i.e. ugly cheat but effective

 

Revisionism at its finest...

 

it wasnt a career-ender, but something happened to mosley after the first forrest fight. he went from p4p#1 to lost in the wilderness.

then the same happened with forrest after fighting mayorga

 

hamed was only like 27 or so when he fought barrera, but anyone who thought he was still in his prime need to go back and watch some of hamed's earlier fights.

it was obvious from the mccullough & sanchez fights that the dude has regressed noticeably.

he was also coming off a long layoff.

 

a fraud doesnt win multiple world championship belts and knock out world class opponents.

 

he was rich. he attempted to comeback and looked like shit against a club fighter. i dont think anyone cared to see him fight barrera again.

if anything, he should've gone on with the proposed fight against tapia when tapia was still the IBF belt holder (after getting a gift vs. medina).

 

Naz was a pretty big favourite to beat Barrera, so your "most people saw it coming" is revisionism.

 

You're just plain wrong, deal with it. I wonder if you were following boxing closely back then.::

 

I believe he said SOME people saw it coming, not most.

But Barrera has always been a superior fighter to Naz. Most people SHOULD Have seen it coming, just like most people should have expected Trinidad to get humiliated by Hopkins.

 

Naz was a solid favorite, I think 3-1. 2001 was the year of the upsets.

After the first war with Morales, Barrera looked rather poor in a fight later that year, prompting some to believe that he wasn't the same fighter. Then Barrera looked much better against Salud in late 2000, prompting Manny Steward to say on air "maybe we picked the wrong guy to fight".

But among boxing writers and the oddsmakers, Barrera was the underdog.

 

Michael Spinks did, and he's an ATG. Felix Trinidad did. After losing to Hopkins, he couldn't decide if he wanted to be a fighter or not.

 

Naz was a product of that whole tacky Benn-Eubank era, if anything he rode the coat tails of the terrestrial era into the Sky TV era and made a small fortune fighting Argentinian roadsweepers and shot or threatless hasbeens, a la Kelley, McCullough, Soto.

I mean, Tapia KO'd Soto with one right hand to the guts. TAPIA, ffs.

 

Spinks had announced his decision to retire, WIN LOSE OR DRAW....BEFORE the Tyson fight.

And Tito did make a comeback.

Neither of those are comparable to what Hamed did. He fought Manuel Calvo for the European belt, then he got fat, talked some shit and went to jail.