non-factors who have managed hype.....

eddie chambers - too small

paulie - too sucky

d. hopkins - no good at all

a. garcia - dkp mirage

who else?

 

Edison Miranda

Panchito Bojado

 

:: I knew paulie had to be on the first list, anyway...

1-Paulie Malignancy
2-Paulie Ayala
3-Willie Jorrin
4-Jason Litzau

 

:dunno:

he had a pretty good career, and was a champion. How is he a "non-factor"?

 

assisted by the judges. he had a crowd pleasing style tho.

 

i agree. he was a great fighter at 118. his problem was when he moved up in weight to chase dollars - he's just not effective above 118.

 

so did Erik Morales. Ayala was a solid fighter and champion, he doesen't belong in the same group as Demetrius Hopkins. ::

 

6 Heads Lewis

Yes he was a champ but the way he managed to lose once he stepped up seemed to prove James Page wasn't the test he was perceived to be. Hell, just after his victory over Page, some people were seeing him as a threat to Shane.::


Hector Camacho Jr. "More talented and powerful than his father" :laughing:

 

I agree with this, he became a bum after his first loss.

 

Tokumbo Olajide - Shit, he even had me fooled. I thought he was the goods until he got matched up last second with a guy two weight classes above him. He's pretty much disappeared ever since.

Joe Mesi - Filled up arenas in Buffalo but never even got a title shot before Jirov ended his career as a contender

 

briefly, anyhow...

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=172112&cat=boxer

 

Ricardo Williams
Dante Craig

 

Augie Sanchez

 

wtf? morales is one of the best fighters of this decade.

morales was awarded with a very close decision over barrera in their first fight. that's hardly a gift decision. barrera was also a world class fighter.

ayala got taken to school and outworked by a journeyman and ended up getting a UD in his hometown. a huge difference.

oh yea, in case you didnt know, morales kicked ayala's ass when they fought.

 

You can add 3/4 of all U.S. Olympic boxers to that list. Remember Michael Bennett? He bordered the Cruiserweight/Heavyweight threshold but he was supposed to be the next great Heavyweight KO artist.

Then he started getting put on queer street by club fighters with 5-6 fights on their record. :doh:

 

dominick guinn. HBO started riding on his cock after he beat the comebacking michael grant.

 

Michael Grant can be blamed for the careers of both Dominick Guinn and Jameel McCline. :doh:

 

Yeah, and Manny Steward should get much of the blame for this...a lot of people bought in to what he was selling before it became apparent how much of a shill he was.

Bojado could probably go on this list.

 

Morales had more than one controversial decision go his way. I was not comparing the two, just that you can't say he was a hype job because he had a few close decisions go his way and because he was an exciting fighter.

And yeah, I did know that Morales kicked his ass when they fought.

 

who else beat morales besides raheem, barrera and pac?

only other close fight he had was against espadas, which i thought he won.

 

most would disagree.

 

morales won 7 rounds. espadas started slow as shit, but came on strong towards the end.

that fight is kinda like floyd/castillo I. debatable, but not a complete robbery.

 

Audley 'A-Force' Harrison is a boxing millionaire... :eeeek: ::

 

the bottom line is, Paulie Ayala is not a hype-job. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

that i agree. he was a world class fighter. but then again, i dont recall anyone calling him a great fighter nor was he that highly regarded even when he was at his best.

 

Exactly.

I thought he outboxed the hell out of Tapia, but regardless, he doesn't belong in this thread. He wasn't over or under-hyped because he wasn't hyped.

 

Well, he did win Fighter of the Year, in what was the Fight of the Year, after beating Tapia but that's because it was a very down year.

I don't remember anybody over-rating him even after he won the award.

The highest he was ever regarded was probably after the Adams rematch, which he dominated...and sort of leads into the other thread, because the first Adams fight seemed to effectively end Bones' career (though I have no idea how he's looked since his comeback).

 

Yeah, I never understood the controversy regarding the Tapia fight (primarily the second, which seemed to be the more controversial)...except that Tapia was a house fighter for Showtime. Tapia ran his mouth afterwards and Dean Chance's actions certainly played a part in the fight was viewed (and I think Ring magazine ended up ranking Tapia above Ayala in their rankings after this fight), but I didn't really understand any of it.

 

Jose Luis Castillo. He lost to Johnston twice, Mayweather twice, Casamayor, Hatton, N'gosdissjdfja... He managed to get about four or five shit decisions and win five rounds against Floyd Mayweather and he was a great fighter? He was barely world-class.

 

Joony is a fucken mook if he thinks Ayala was a "non-factor". Dude was Ring Magazines FOTY and a P4P entrant for a while there. No brainer.